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EmC

hi there,

What are everyones thoughts on Minnie Maud? I find it fascinating ....
I need help thought with explaining to my daughter about how it is ok to eat and rest in-between - that not moving doesn't mean the weight will all go on 'wrong'
Would you agree with me that the goal is to eat as much as possible and rest inbeween , the weight isn't going to go all flabby if she is eating 'unhealthy' foods... she looked online that eating sugary// unhealthy foods will mean fatty weight gain not nice lean muscle mass etc.
so she is terrified that if she eats what she is eating and sits in-between her body won't look right or behave right, she has to move in-between to ;shape' it
Someone please help explain!!!!

Many thanks sorry for the madness!

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tina72
To be honest, I do not know Minnie Maud but will try to find out what that is tomorrow 🙂.
Muscles are not developing on a skeletton body. You need to have some fat on your bones first to be able to get muscles. The weight will go on the belly first because there are the life saving organs that need to be saved first and then it will distribute all over the rest and she will have a wonderful normal female figure then. Is that that you wanted to hear?
There is no need for any exercising to get a nice figure. This would be contraproductive instead as exercising takes energy and she needs to eat more to be able to do that. And exercising can stop her body from producing hormones to get periods.
Keep feeding. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
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Ellesmum
We're basically doing Minnie Maud after ripping up CAMHs meal plan. I'll try to find some clear info for you in a while. Its doughnut time here 😀
Ellesmum
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Ellesmum
Minnie Maud is basically just refeeding as most of us here do, no food is bad etc and a large amount of calories required,  I found CAMHs meal plan too restrictive so ripped it up and just started feeding as advised here, high fat foods.  I like this article as it is very clear and written for recovery by a sufferer and aimed at young people with links to other articles. I don’t see any difference between MM and everything advised here and by other well known writers but it gives permission to eat that CAMHs guidance doesn’t IME 

https://ladlebyladle.com/2018/03/22/minnie-maud-recovery/
Ellesmum
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tina72
Thanks Ellesmum, this is what we also did I think, I just did not know this name before.
Keep feeding. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
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scaredmom
EmC wrote:

hi there,

What are everyones thoughts on Minnie Maud? I find it fascinating ....
I need help thought with explaining to my daughter about how it is ok to eat and rest in-between - that not moving doesn't mean the weight will all go on 'wrong'
Would you agree with me that the goal is to eat as much as possible and rest inbeween , the weight isn't going to go all flabby if she is eating 'unhealthy' foods... she looked online that eating sugary// unhealthy foods will mean fatty weight gain not nice lean muscle mass etc.
so she is terrified that if she eats what she is eating and sits in-between her body won't look right or behave right, she has to move in-between to ;shape' it
Someone please help explain!!!!

Many thanks sorry for the madness!



i am not sure what you can say to be honest that will alleviate her fears. Those sound very much like ED. 
Maybe saying that you are feeding her to get her healthy?  No matter what? Do you have a medical and psychological team available to help her with those thoughts. 
ED may sound logical and we may feel so pressured to give them explanations but she may not be in a head space where she could actually ‘hear’ you.
I have found for my d, when the professionals explain it helps a bit but then ED can take over and misconstrue much of what is said. 
If it helps you to understand that is one thing but to ask her to understand right now may be quite difficult. 
When within yourself you find the road, the right road will open.  (Dejan Stojanovic)

Food+more food+time+love+good professional help+ATDT+no exercise+ state not just weight+/- the "right" medicine= healing---> recovery(--->life without ED)
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EmC
THANK YOU ALL VERY VERY MUCH!!!
Any suggestions on meal plan \ guideline calorie intake in day?
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Ellesmum
At the very start I didn’t think too much about calories, just wanted to get as much food especially fats in as possible, she’d been restricting a long time so I just felt I’d get in as much as possible including by stealth so her 130 calorie sachet of cereal at nighttime became more like 700 with added almonds, Complan, double cream, sugar and even some oil.  It didn’t take long for minor improvements to show in her mental state and I began to insist on calorific food in the coffee shops and restaurants, at one point going to Maccy D meant a carrot bag and diet cola, that became a small burger, then a burger and ice cream and so on.  I started keeping an eye on calories hoping to get to 3000 which I still aim for now, plus more food variety and there’s little she won’t eat now.  She’s been agitated lately and my instincts tell me she needs yet more so I am aiming higher at least for now.  Plenty of carbs, plenty of fat, plenty of variety is my aim at the moment.  Going forward I’ll try to get her eating like a regular person would but that’s for another day, in those early days I wanted to get whatever I could in and if that meant four chocolate bars then that was fine with me.  No matter what I give a huge breakfast and always a big snack before sleep (i asked a doctor at A&E to ‘prescribe’ that as a medical requirement)   I have never in my life had such a variety of spreads in the cupboard, chocolate spreads, nut butters etc. Nor so many boxes of cereal.  
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debra18
I started at 1000 calories and implemented eating 6 times a day. Supervised eating was necessary as she was lying and hiding food. Increased gradually until she started gaining at about 2300. Had to increase twice until above 3000.

High calorie shakes are the best way to get in calories. In addition to that aim for normal eating of a balance of carbs, fats, sugar and protein at every meal
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scaredmom
Hi EmC,

I note from a previous post you d is 19 and has had this diagnosis of AN for about two years. 
How much is she eating now?
i do recall you had taken time off to aid in her recovery. How is that going? We all wish to help. 
I would think the calories needed will vary but it is not uncommon to be 2500 to even 4000 to gain weight. If she needs to gain many have added on an extra 300 to 500 every few days until the weight gain was consistent.
Every person is so different .
All the best,
When within yourself you find the road, the right road will open.  (Dejan Stojanovic)

Food+more food+time+love+good professional help+ATDT+no exercise+ state not just weight+/- the "right" medicine= healing---> recovery(--->life without ED)
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tina72
We started with 2000 and increased 300 every 3 days until we saw constant weight gain (that happened here around 3000 but there are cases where the parents needed to go MUCH higher). 500 -1000 g gain a week is the target. Increase all slowly,  portion size, calories.
MP: 3 meals 2-3 snacks, no snack below 300 and no meal below 600 is a start. Cook like your grandma would have cooked after WW2. Butter, cream and oil on EVERYTHING. Normal meals. Normal food. No low fat, low sugar, no carbs, vegetarian or vegan diet. Normal food for working men 🙂.
Keep feeding. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
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EmC
Thank you all for your kind advice and support.
She has had a few tummy problems since introducing new  foods into her diet, runny tummy etc which has resulted in a dip in weight, is this 'normal'? I am worried there is something else going on....
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Ellesmum
After a period of restriction there will be digestive issues as the stomach gets used to food, constipation is very usual but we’ve had the occasional runs, sore tummy, bloating and lots, oh so much gas.    

https://www.recoverywarriors.com/practical-solutions-tame-tummy-recovering-eating-disorder/
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