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countrymama05
I just read two articles about links between OCD, AN, ADHD, ADD and other disorders listed with Vaccinations.
In the 12 months before DD was diagnosed she had 10 vaccinations. 10!!!
After reading these articles my heart just sank.

Any thoughts?

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Kali
Hi Countrymama05,

As far as I know there have been no medical studies that prove without a doubt that vaccinations cause OCD, AN, ADHD or ADD.

I'm not saying I'm an expert, and I'm certainly not a doctor, but I've done quite a bit of reading about medical studies and different medical aspects of Anorexia. The consensus seems to be that it is a biologically based brain disorder which can be influenced by genetics and with metabolism also playing a part.

Don't feel guilty that you may have somehow inadvertently contributed to your daughter's illness by consenting to have her vaccinated. 

Kali






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debra18
Yes I want to know about this. I also found out there is a connection. There was a Yale study that said that 80 percent of kids that developed Anorexia had vaccinations within 3 months before. My daughter had the menangitis vaccine 3 months before suddenly developing Anorexia and before that she hadn't had vaccines for several years.
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EDAction
debra18 and countrymama05,

Please provide citations and/or links for the articles and study you reference.
DD diagnosed with anorexia at 14; FBT at home with the help of psychologist and medical dr; 3+ years later and doing well (knock on wood)
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Mamaroo
Hi EDAction

Here is the link to the Yale study article: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2017.00003/full

The article was published in the Frontiers in Psychiatry journal. Research journals come in various standards and reputations. I used to work in the academia and the university would accept publications in certain journals, but not in others. The gold standard being Nature. There are some concerns with this journal, and they have published articles linking autism with vaccinations.

Here are some reviews of the journal:
https://forbetterscience.com/2015/10/28/is-frontiers-a-potential-predatory-publisher/
http://neuroconscience.com/2016/01/15/is-frontiers-in-trouble/index.html

I can just add my own experience. The last routine vaccine my d had was several years before the onset of AN. She did have a flu vaccine the year before (9 months before more or less) and more importantly she had one 1 month after being discharged from IP and it made no difference to her eating. 
 
D became obsessed with exercise at age 9 and started eating 'healthy' at age 9.5. Restricting couple of months later. IP for 2 weeks at age 10. Slowly refed for months on Ensures alone, followed by swap over with food at a snails pace. WR after a year at age 11 in March 2017. View my recipes on my YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKLW6A6sDO3ZDq8npNm8_ww
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Kali
Hi,

To quote from the article:

These findings warrant further investigation, but do not prove a causal role of antecedent infections or vaccinations in the pathoetiology of these conditions.

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Subjects with newly diagnosed AN were more likely than controls to have had any vaccination in the previous 3 months


Also I'm not understanding why children who get anorexia would be vaccinated more that other children? Vaccinations are done on a schedule, at least in the US, and all children get them according to how old they are if they are going for yearly checkups as recommended.

My daughter had not had any vaccinations in the 3 months prior to onset of her illness. 

Kali
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ValentinaGermania
Same with us, no vaccinations in the 2 years before AN.

I think it will be difficult to proof a relationship with that because most kids have vaccinations at that age.
If you compare it to "eating burgers", you will find many kids who ate a burger before developping AN but you would not say because of that "eating burgers cause AN".

And there was AN before men had vaccinations.

Tina72
Keep feeding. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
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countrymama05
countrymama05 wrote:
I just read two articles about links between OCD, AN, ADHD, ADD and other disorders listed with Vaccinations.
In the 12 months before DD was diagnosed she had 10 vaccinations. 10!!!
After reading these articles my heart just sank.

Any thoughts?



https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/02/21/vaccines-linked-to-mental-disorders-by-yale-study/

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needhelp
Hi - I'd have to agree with the other Mamas - unfortunately, so many have tried to tie vaccinations to disorders.  You really did do the right thing in getting your child vaccinated - please don't second guess yourself.  Hugs : )
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Sotired
This makes me so 😡.really really angry.
It’s like those idiot flat earthers or people who are dumb enough to believe vaccines cause autism.their beliefs can be genuinely harmful and so can this belief.
Vaccines have side effects on rare occasions.
They do not cause autism, or adhd-there will be a family history,acknowledged or not.
When it comes to anorexia it’s in the genes.
My d had no vaccines leading up to her anorexia.she had her last ones at 11, anorexia happened at 15.my son and other daughter have had some eating issues that have cropped up, irrespective of their vaccines.
The anti vax people are costing lives and it makes me cross.even being friends with several of them has not changed my opinion,we just agree to disagree.
Please don’t ever second guess being a responsible parent.
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meadow
Hi, please don't worry about this Countrymama.  

What age do your kids have vaccinations?  And what age do eating disorders most commonly begin?  I imagine they're around the same time... just like with the MMR fiasco.  Children had their MMR at around the same age that kids with autism commonly start to show symptoms or a regression of skills.  That research by Andrew Wakefield was thrown out in a huge scandal, and has quite possibly led to several unnecessary deaths of children who subsequently weren't vaccinated. 

The direct trigger for my daughter's anorexia aged 8 was a fear that if she ate a lot she would block the toilet (and we'd all drown).  I've only recently found out that this stemmed back to a time when she saw a blocked toilet.... around a year before she started restricting. 

It's no more your fault that your daughter became unwell after vaccinations than it is my fault that mine got ill a year after seeing a blocked toilet.  Should I have prevented her from ever seeing such a thing?  No way, how could I have known?  Please don't be hard on yourself xx
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debra18
I am not saying that people shouldn't get vaccines or feel guilty if they did. And I am not speaking for anyone else. I am just saying that in my daughter's situation the vaccine may have been one of the triggers as it could cause swelling in the brain. Someone mentioned that pandas causing swelling in the brain and triggered Anorexia. Also in 2015 there was a discussion about concussion or brain injury as a possible trigger. I am refeeding my daughter anyway and she is doing very well. Almost WR and most AN behaviors disappeared. I am not trying to cause an argument. Just for my own understanding I would like to know why it is impossible that vaccines can cause brain swelling?
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hello, I'll join. I got terrible anxiety and overlooked fears I never had. after mmr vaccination 2 days later. it was horrible for 3 weeks. i have experienced OCD after roto virus. which has passed. I'm thinking that the antibodies in the vaccine attack the human brain, just like viruses. maybe it's guilty human immunity or some autoimmune disease. BEFORE YOUR VACCINE IT IS NECESSARY TO DO A LOT OF RESEARCH. it is very individual when you become ill after the vaccination. vaccinations are only for healthy people. it's just a question of whether they need such healthy people.
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BetterNow
I know this is an emotionally charged topic. In fact, I live in WA state where it seems to be a particularly fraught issue. Without a doubt, there were psychiatric conditions for me prior to the bulk of years of vaccines. I have  O.C.D. in addition to an ED history.

I also tend to simply be unable to think clearly at all when ill. It really goes beyond what I observe when others are ill, they might be a little punchy, but I might be closer to punch drunk.  A flu shot is not a problem at all for me, but I am certain my brain is adversely impacted on a temporary, but distressing level if I contract the flu. I recently had viral bronchitis and spent two + weeks in one of these  "foggy" states.

I have never had a head injury so can not comment on that variable.

I like to believe adults will make wise, sensible decisions for their kids and themselves. The choice for one may not be correct for another, even within the same family. This is a serious topic and there is a Netflix special series about vaccinations (the flu vaccine for adults and kids worldwide mainly) which I feel is extremely well done. Many here have probably watched it.  Might be worth viewing, at least some of it, if you have Netflix and have not seen it. I learned quite a bit.

Hope we all stay as healthy as possible this Winter!
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kkhrd
I am wary of arguing this point at all, as I know this topic is so controversial, but I have a different opinion about vaccines, and while my children, and my dog, are all fully vaccinated, I have chosen to only give the necessary vaccines, and spreading them out over time.  What I believe is that we are predisposed to conditions which are hereditary in nature, such as Autism, ADHD, depression, anxiety, ED and the like.  There is unfortunately nothing that you can do about your genes, however I do believe that certain vaccines can trigger such conditions because of the ingredients in them or the preservatives, the attack on the central nervous system etc.  

I will argue that my dog is as much a member of my family, but please don't think I would ever compare my dog to anyone's child, but I will use him as an example.  In the veterinary world animals are given the same dose of vaccine whether they are a large or small breed.  My dog is a small breed.  I brought him in for his annual vaccines, and he was given probably 7 all at one time.  I was nervous, I would have never allowed that many for my children, but my vet should know best.  He was very sick over the next few weeks until he finally suffered 4 grand mal seizures.  He was then hospitalized and medicated for epilepsy and was kept onsite for 2 nights because they did not think he would survive.  He's a fighter, but I was told that he would have epilepsy and be medicated for the rest of his days.  I promptly left my vet in search of a holistic vet and guess what?  Not only is he free from any meds but he hasn't to date had another seizure.  We titer him annually and he only gets a booster when it shows that he is low in one vaccine or another.  He may be epileptic, but provided we don't over vaccinate he may never have another seizure.  

I am not anti vaccine, but I do think that they need to be spaced out, they need to be given in the correct doses, and in the cases of children with a history of brain disorders they really need to be researched and talk through with the physician.  Same goes for antibiotics which I am incredibly leary of.  My children only get antibiotics as an absolute last course of action.  Mainly because antibiotics will kill all the bacteria, even the good bacteria, and if you don't already know, the gut is the first line of defense against a healthy brain and nervous system.  If you have a leaky gut, EVERYTHING you consume, be it food or medication can leach into the blood stream and can affect the brain in negative ways.
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NativeGarden
Sotired wrote:
This makes me so 😡.really really angry.
It’s like those idiot flat earthers or people who are dumb enough to believe vaccines cause autism.their beliefs can be genuinely harmful and so can this belief.
Vaccines have side effects on rare occasions.
They do not cause autism, or adhd-there will be a family history,acknowledged or not.
When it comes to anorexia it’s in the genes.
My d had no vaccines leading up to her anorexia.she had her last ones at 11, anorexia happened at 15.my son and other daughter have had some eating issues that have cropped up, irrespective of their vaccines.
The anti vax people are costing lives and it makes me cross.even being friends with several of them has not changed my opinion,we just agree to disagree.
Please don’t ever second guess being a responsible parent.


I don't appreciate being called an idiot. 
Thought this forum had a policy for kindness and posting with respect?

I could debate rates of reaction and lack of safety trails for the current schedule but I hardly think this is the time or place. You can state your opinion without calling me dumb because I know there is a connection, in some instances, between autism and vaccine. If there a connection between a vaccine and the onset of eating disorders? Does an eating disorder make an individual at increased risk for reaction? There are great questions that science could study. 

I am concerned about the lack of double-blind vaccine studies, the lack of placebo controlled trials, adjuvants and excipients in these shots, the impact of multiple vaccines given together, the increased number of vaccines, and I'm not an idiot for asking questions and pushing for more scientific research. 




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