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alkelly371
Any suggestions on where I can find high calorie/low volume foods or recipes that don't involve peanut butter or sweets? S is on 3800 re-feeding and the volume of food is really hard for him. I do serve protein drink with breakfast. It's protein rich but only 170 calories.
Amy K.
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Amoma
I will bump a thread for you that is an all time Hall Of Fame

Soooo many recipes for high cal low volume foods.

Eeek, sorry a shake of 170 cals is but a drip. Must bump that up by a lot...add plenty of lipids (dietary fats your biggest bang nutrient in refeeding)

Best of luck and happy cooking!! ps why no peanut butter? Allergies?

http://www.aroundthedinnertable.org/post/high-calorie-suggestions-696425?highlight=high+calorie

http://www.aroundthedinnertable.org/post/high-calorie-crockpot-only-recipes-6728156

http://www.aroundthedinnertable.org/post/high-calorie-snacks-6728150
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alkelly371
thanks for the link. we haven't worked nut butters back in yet. [crazy] oh yea, and what should I say when s asks, "did you put butter, canola oil etc. in this?" If I give no answer he knows knows the answer is yes. I don't want to lie either, he mistrusts me enough as it is.
Amy K.
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Amoma
He doesn't really need to know ingredients that go in to cooking. I would keep him out of the kitchen. Can someone distract him while you do this? Are you doing "magic plate"?

I would not lie, but answer with hmmmm or mmmhmmmm

or it is " your medicine right now"

and yes nut butters are awesome and sometimes a fear food to address and work in...
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Psycho_Mom
Hi,

Re: questions about ingredients.

At a time away from mealtime, I explained to my d that for right now we were going to try and make her eating as low-stress as possible, and that meant she would stay out of the kitchen, she would not have to cook or go grocery shopping or clean the kitchen (a little plus for her there) and there would be no discussion about ingredients. Like your s, she still asks about ingredients, but when I answer, "The ingredients are exactly what you need," she seems to accept it a little better. 

This also means that when the ingredeints are perfectly innocuous (in her opinion) I STILL don't tell her what they are, which has led to her having a big fuss about a smoothie she thought had ice cream in it when it didn't, and other idiotic scenes.

you're doing great, keep going!


D diagnosed with EDNOS May 2013 at age 15, refed at home Aug 2013, since then symptoms gradually lessened and we retaught her how to feed and care for herself, including individual therapy, family skills DBT class, SSRI medication and relapse-prevention strategies. Anxiety was pre-existing and I believe she was sporadically restricting since about age 9. She now eats and behaves like any normal older teen, and is enjoying school, friends, sports, music and thinking about the future.
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trusttheprocessUSA
My 15 yr old son with RAN needs very dense calorie/high fat meals and snacks to continue growing. I only serve him food that is high in calories and fat so he doesn't have to make up the calories by eating more food - he already eats a lot of food at his meals and snack.

We started out adding Benecalorie (order from Amazon, 1.5 oz 330 calories) 2 times a day until he was completely weight restored then we were able substituted larger portions of food to cover his high calorie needs.

idea for a day:
Scrambled jumbo egg with 1 slice of cheese served with 1/2 bagel with butter & fruit & whole milk.

High calorie bread with 4 oz of meat with cheese or mayo, fruit and whole milk.

Crackers with cheddar cheese, almonds with dried cranberries, 1 liberte yogurt (6 oz with 220 calories & 12 grams of fat) mix in benecalorie.

4 - 6 oz of beef, veggies with butter, rice or pasta with butter, salad with olive oil & balsamic vinegar (3 to 1) & whole milk.
If you make pasta with 4 - 6 oz of meatballs and tomato sauce add 2 TBS of sour cream to the tomato sauce.

Smoothy made with frozen Liberte yogurt and benecalorie and cream and fresh fruit.


I have a good recipe for Alfredo sauce that is very high calorie if you think he would like it. I put 1 cup over shrimp or chicken and it freezes well. Just say the word...


Son diagnosed @ 12.5 yrs old with Severe RAN 2/11. Co-morbids - anxiety, Active restriction for 3 months. He stopped eating completely 2x. He needed immediate, aggressive treatment from a provider who specialized in eating disorders, adolescents and males. We got that at Kartini Clinic. WR since 5/11. 2017 getting ready to graduate slipping lost 8lbs. Fighting our way back.
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trusttheprocessUSA

It took a while before he was ready for this dish - now he loves it.


Alfredo Sauce:
recipe makes 4 servings & from my calculations it has 617 calories per serving (1 cup)

4 TBS butter

1 onion diced

2 cloves of garlic minced

8 oz of slice mushrooms

1/3 cup all purpose flour

1 TBS salt

¾ TBS white pepper

3 cups whole milk

1 cup half and half

¾ cup grated Parmesan cheese

8 ounces of shredded Colby Jack cheese

½ cup sour cream

3 diced roma tomatoes

Melt butter in sauce pan, add onion, garlic and mushrooms cook until onions are translucent. Stir in flour, salt and pepper cook 2 min.  Slowly add milk and half and half until smooth and creamy. Stir Parmesan and Colby-Monterrey Jack cheeses stir until cheese is melted. Stir in sour cream and tomatoes.

Pour 1 cup over pasta and chicken or shrimp.

*my boys don’t like mushrooms and tomatoes so I leave them out.

*I use a hand blender to puree the sauce (my boys don’t like cooked onions but the recipe needs them).

This sauce freezes very well.

Son diagnosed @ 12.5 yrs old with Severe RAN 2/11. Co-morbids - anxiety, Active restriction for 3 months. He stopped eating completely 2x. He needed immediate, aggressive treatment from a provider who specialized in eating disorders, adolescents and males. We got that at Kartini Clinic. WR since 5/11. 2017 getting ready to graduate slipping lost 8lbs. Fighting our way back.
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mnmomUSA
I made my D smoothies every day (sometimes twice a day).  To this day, she is unaware of what I put in them....she simply is NOT permitted in the kitchen when I make them.  If she asks, I say "fruit and yogurt" (which are in there....so that much is true...it's just that there is "other stuff" in there too).  Since ED is a devious little creep (and it is ED asking, NOT my D....my D would not care and would never have asked before ED), I have absolutely NO problem lying to Damian (my name for ED).  If more specific questions were forthcoming, I would say (over and over), "it's what you need...no more, and no less."  Rinse and repeat.  There may well be outrage at the beginning when doing this, but eventually, if they get no answer, they WILL stop asking.  IT gets better.

Anyway, I add 3-4 T of canola oil to each smoothie I make...this is 360-480 EXTRA calories on top of the other ingredients.  I used frozen fruit, 1 cup of full fat yogurt (greek is best), juice, and then the oil.  You cannot taste the oil AT ALL.  She has never even suspected the oil.

For breakfast, my D typically eats a bagel with liberal dose of cream cheese (this is 580 calories), plus two slices of bacon (thick cut), fresh fruit, and milk (which in the early days always had 2 Tablespoons of heavy whipping cream...extra 100 calories).  So breakfast was about 1000 calories.  Mid morning snack was nuts (250-300).  Lunch would be hummus and tortilla chips (400-500 calories right there), a 12 ounce odwalla type juice (240-280 calories), and perhaps a granola bar....all together about 900-1000.  Afternoon snack similar to morning.  So, we were already at 2500+ calories by the time we got to dinner.  Dinner would be a protein of some sort, bread (with butter), veggies, milk, etc....  Then, we had the smoothie, which was 600-700 calories.  All together, we would be at around 4000 per day without being a huge volume of food.  3 meals, 3 snacks....the only way to go.  I would aim for 900-1000 per meal, and 250-300 per snack.  That's how I would get there.  Also notice that in general we did not rely on "sweets" or "desserts" to get to the calories...other than the smoothie, which was only naturally sweet with the frozen fruit that was in there....no added sugar.
D, age 18, first diagnosed March 20, 2013, RAN, at age 13 Hospitalized 3 weeks for medical stability. FBT at home since.  UCSD Multi-family Intensive June 2015. We've arrived on the other side.  :-)  D at college and doing great!
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Paul66

mnmom:  Never heard of adding canola oil....that doesn't make the smootie oily?  Do you add 3-4 tsp's?

 

 

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Amoma
Many many of us do that on here. You can also add Flax seed oil (Omega 3's) but it has more of a taste. Or try coconut oil.

I buy organic canola and it does not make the smoothies oily. I add 2 Tbsp to D's tub of greek yogurt every day she has it. Adds another 30 gr. of lipids.
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mnmomUSA
Paul66 wrote:

mnmom:  Never heard of adding canola oil....that doesn't make the smootie oily?  Do you add 3-4 tsp's?

 

 



Not at all.  No taste, and no way to tell.  Really.  I read that hint here and didn't believe it until I tried it.  It just makes it have a "smoother" mouth feel....if that makes sense.  And I add 3-4 TABLESPOONS.  Her smoothie ends up being 12-16 ounces.

It is a very easy way to add the lipids they need so desperately for recovery.
D, age 18, first diagnosed March 20, 2013, RAN, at age 13 Hospitalized 3 weeks for medical stability. FBT at home since.  UCSD Multi-family Intensive June 2015. We've arrived on the other side.  :-)  D at college and doing great!
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perdido
Canola oil is a true life saver. 3-4 tbsp does not make a smoothie oily, in fact when mixed with 1/4 of heavy whipping cream, it makes it like a milkshake, great consistency.
The thing is, these kids need so many grams of fat, so many, so many to get back what they have lost.
At one point I know we were doing 45-60 grams of fat. I did not want d to be without her period so we did fats big time. We were doing two smoothies a day. And d got her period back 3 months after diagnosis. 
Coconut oil is good also.
I used coconut milk in making the rice, and it tasted awesome and was super high calorie.
Slow and steady
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gobsmacked_US
I personally didn't have success with the canola oil in smoothies trick. I could taste it, and it made me gag. I'm not sure what I was doing wrong.

Instead I kept around a few interesting cold-pressed oils: flax oil, walnut oil, almond oil, avocado oil -- they're pricey, but they last a while in the refrigerator -- and added those, considering how the flavor would work with the smoothie. I also used them for pasta and rice based salads (as well as regular salads and salad dressings). Walnut oil is fantastic with anything with beets and feta, and almond oil is wonderful with berries.  If you go this way, make sure to get cold-pressed, as those are the ones that actually taste like what they come from.
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alkelly371
hannabeatsanaUSA wrote:
Here are two more recent days for us... lots of cals, relatively small volume 

 

BREAKFAST-

Two scrambled eggs with cheese

large bagel with butter

large glass cranberry juice


MEDS

8 oz water


AM Snack-

2 chocolate chip cookies

Whole milk with HWC


Lunch-

Grilled Chicken Breast

Fettucine Alfredo

Green Beans

Apple Juice


PM Snack-

Shake with HWC, oil, protein powder

Cookie dough Ice Cream for base

8 oz water


Dinner-

French Bread Pepperoni Pizza

Tossed Salad with Dressing

Fruit Salad with honey

Whole milk with HWC

 


Night Snack-

Banana Pudding

Whipped Cream

8oz water


MEDS

8 oz water

Breakfast-

Super Muffin!

Peanut butter

Whole milk with HWC


MEDS

8 oz water


AM Snack-

Whips yogurt

Fruit salad with honey

8 oz water


Lunch- Panera challenge lunch!

Potato soup

½ ham cheese and mayo sandwich

⅓ baguette
Chips

Cranberry juice


PM Snack-

Shake with HWC, oil

Vanilla Ice Cream for base


Dinner-

Spaghetti with red sauce

Meatballs

Two slices of garlic bread

Salad with dressing

Whole Milk with HWC

8 oz of water


Night Snack-

Chocolate cake

Whole Milk with HWC


MEDS

8 oz water

 
Thanks for the meal plan suggestions! Sorry to be dense but, what is HWC?
Amy K.
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waytogo
I tried putting in 3 tbs of rapeseed oil ( I think its the same as canola) into tzakiki using greek yoghurt. It did change the colour to a more yellowish colour and D spotted it rightaway. The whole lot ended up on the kitchen floor along with a few other things just for good measure. Anyway, she ate her dinner minus the tzakiki, said sorry and cleaned up ( progress in that she wouldn't have done any of the above a few months back). Clearly this is now a fear food! 

The weird thing is she gobbled up lots of iceberg lettuce that I shredded and liberally dressed in olive oil- no problem!
Its all so illogical......

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mnmomUSA
HWC is Heavy Whipping Cream....
D, age 18, first diagnosed March 20, 2013, RAN, at age 13 Hospitalized 3 weeks for medical stability. FBT at home since.  UCSD Multi-family Intensive June 2015. We've arrived on the other side.  :-)  D at college and doing great!
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momon
HI trusttheprocess

You say the alfredo sauce freezes well. Even with the sour cream etc. in it?  Have you made it in multiple batches at once to be able to freeze? Thank you, I am desperate for things I can make ahead and use after work... we end up eating at 7 pm to 7:30 weeknights and then it is TOO LATE to get in a dessert also [smile]  Plus I am tuckered out.
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trusttheprocessUSA
Yes I am making it now - it is very rich. I freeze it in correct portions I also make homemade meatballs and beef brisket and chili I freeze them all -
Otherwise I am anxious and my RAN son doesn't need an anxious mom
Son diagnosed @ 12.5 yrs old with Severe RAN 2/11. Co-morbids - anxiety, Active restriction for 3 months. He stopped eating completely 2x. He needed immediate, aggressive treatment from a provider who specialized in eating disorders, adolescents and males. We got that at Kartini Clinic. WR since 5/11. 2017 getting ready to graduate slipping lost 8lbs. Fighting our way back.
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trusttheprocessUSA
You can always add the sour cream when you reheat it..
Son diagnosed @ 12.5 yrs old with Severe RAN 2/11. Co-morbids - anxiety, Active restriction for 3 months. He stopped eating completely 2x. He needed immediate, aggressive treatment from a provider who specialized in eating disorders, adolescents and males. We got that at Kartini Clinic. WR since 5/11. 2017 getting ready to graduate slipping lost 8lbs. Fighting our way back.
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Christmas_USA
I had oil to anything i think I can get away with it. I use grapeseed the most because it is flavorless, but use coconut in smoothies because it has 10 more calories. Oil can be hidden in applesauce ( stir well)
I mix fruit with it
Cream of wheat or oatmeal too
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mom26kids
Soups, stews, curries and chilis were also great vehicles for adding oils/calories since  you could add a lot without detection. Coconut milk is great and avocado.  My d was never a sweets person so we had to make it with savory options.  We used whole milk and liberte yogurts a lot, full fat cottage cheese, nut butters, whole grain breads and crackers.  Don't be afraid to add what is needed- your child doesn't care, the ED does, and you don't have to answer to ED!
mom26kids
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trusttheprocessUSA
I like this soup idea with meat - any other soups with meats? My 15.5 yr old RAN son has to have 4-5 oz of meat at lunch and 8-10oz of meat a dinner - Protein is important to his recovery. He has been allowed to return to his sport and he is growing and he is male..
Son diagnosed @ 12.5 yrs old with Severe RAN 2/11. Co-morbids - anxiety, Active restriction for 3 months. He stopped eating completely 2x. He needed immediate, aggressive treatment from a provider who specialized in eating disorders, adolescents and males. We got that at Kartini Clinic. WR since 5/11. 2017 getting ready to graduate slipping lost 8lbs. Fighting our way back.
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yamom50_US
I made a Potato Corn Chowder for my D the other night - something I made when she was a kid. Loosely based on this recipe, doubled the bacon & added a pound of seafood and extra cream. Could add even more meat/fish - cut back on the carrots if you want. http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/corn-and-potato-chowder-recipe.html. And we had it with mini cornbread muffins slathered with honey butter as they came out of the oven.

Similarly meatloaf is great - she does like the way my husband makes meatloaf, so he loaded in some extras in that & cooked it with a nice crispy layer of cheese on top. Them he made mashed potatoes with extra butter & cream, and you could always make gravy which is fat & carb.

Also recently made macaroni & cheese - we make our own, white sauce base - you can double the butter in the base, use cream instead of milk, and we put in 2x the cheese inside & a full layer on top.

She sees right through all that but doesn't ask, the one time she did, we told her it had what her dietician said to give her for her meal plan.
Mom to young adult D with AN, 2 yrs into this journey
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momon
Hi TTP

Thank you for the ideas of food to freeze, desperately need for work nights... and you are so right hustling up dinner under stress makes me stressy and not what my kid needs. Wish I could get more disciplined so it never happens but it does.

I LOVE everyone's hi cal food ideas.
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mom26kids
For working carers, crockpot meals are great and while my d would not choose a fatty steak she will eat a chuck roast cooked in the crockpot, or short ribs, delicious and lots of protein and desperately needed fats-add some full fat yogurt or sour cream to make a delicious sauce and serve with high protein high fiber noodles or rive and you can get there pretty quick.  Another crockpot advantage is that you can throw things in early in the AM before ED prying eyes are up and about!
mom26kids
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