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Bottle
This morning there is a headline on the front page of the Sunday Times by Joan Bakewell stating that " Anorexia is Narcissism "
There has just been a discussion about it on BBC NEWS 24 's section "the papers" in which they all had a jolly good laugh about the article and how in Joan's day there would have been no fuss and you'd just have to get on with it.
No mention of the serious nature of the illness or anything like that.
I'm disgusted with the BBC for this attitude and the Times for putting the stupid article on the front.

UK informed people please please complain with facts to back up the complaint. Lots of you are so articulate and EBi know you have been on R4 about this so you'd be a brill person to complain. I will do so too but my brain is mashed potato and I'm finding writing proper things difficult still.

It's like wading through treacle this business eh.
Bottle
D2 RAN as part of Pervasive Refusal Syndrome with a history of not walking for a year and being non verbal for a short while too. Considered to be Aspergers by everyone that has worked with her and by us but still awaiting a diagnosis that'll help us access support services she needs.
D1 recovered RAN and D3 doing pretty well considering the mayhem around here!
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deenl
I'm almost crying at the level of TOTAL ignorance! Responsible journalism requires doing you research and not just spouting your own uninformed opinion.

Raging,
D
2015 12yo son restricting but no body image issues, no fat phobia; lost weight IP! Oct 2015 home, stable but no progress. Medical hosp to kick start recovery Feb 2016. Slowly and cautiously gaining weight at home and seeing signs of our real kid.

May 2017 Hovering around WR. Mood great, mostly. Building up hour by hour at school after 18 months at home. Summer 2017 Happy, first trip away in years, food variety, begin socialising. Sept 2017, back to school FT first time in 2 years. [thumb] 2018 growing so fast hard to keep pace with weight
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moonshine
I saw that article, and I am beyond appalled. How dare they publish something like that. Yes, things were different 10, 20, 50 years ago etc., but that does not at all mean that treatment towards people with EDs was fair or helpful. It's ridiculous. It's shocking as well that the editors didn't stop this being published, it's bad enough that Joan thought it was ok to write something like that, but to go ahead and put it on the front page of a major UK newspaper without second thought is incomprehensible.

Goodness me this makes me so angry. I will definitely be contacting the BBC and the Sunday Times.

Grr. [mad]
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AUSSIEedfamily
Dear ATDT,

Send her an e-mail I just did joanbakewell@googlemail.com

For those of you who do twiter etc here is her website

http://www.parliament.uk/biographies/lords/baroness-bakewell/4223

https://twitter.com/JDBakewell
ED Dad
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NELLY_UK
There is also an article in The Guardian by a psychologist who has written a book about how mental illness including anorexia, bulimia, bi polar and schitzophrenia are caused purely by environmental surroundings - upbringing, parents.
Oliver james thats the author. @charlotteshelix put it on twitter in disgust.
NELLY D 20 bulimic since age 12, diagnosed in 2011. 20 months useless CAMHs,7 months great IP, home March 14..... more useless CAMHs.now an adult & no MH services are involved. I reached the end of my tether, tied a knot in it and am hanging on. ED/Bulimia treatmentis in the dark ages in West Sussex.
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NELLY_UK
There is also an article in The Guardian by a psychologist who has written a book about how mental illness including anorexia, bulimia, bi polar and schitzophrenia are caused purely by environmental surroundings - upbringing, parents.
Oliver james thats the author. @charlotteshelix put it on twitter in disgust.
NELLY D 20 bulimic since age 12, diagnosed in 2011. 20 months useless CAMHs,7 months great IP, home March 14..... more useless CAMHs.now an adult & no MH services are involved. I reached the end of my tether, tied a knot in it and am hanging on. ED/Bulimia treatmentis in the dark ages in West Sussex.
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Bottle
No way! And Tanya Byron states at the end of her book that anorexia is caused by parents and she has MASSIVE government influence
Bottle
D2 RAN as part of Pervasive Refusal Syndrome with a history of not walking for a year and being non verbal for a short while too. Considered to be Aspergers by everyone that has worked with her and by us but still awaiting a diagnosis that'll help us access support services she needs.
D1 recovered RAN and D3 doing pretty well considering the mayhem around here!
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hopeful_mum
Sky news will be discussing this article and the subsequent fallout at 10.20am this morning. Be interesting to see how they cover it.
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strugglingthrough
Hope the coverage was more constructive - our Sunday was not good with the Times article on the front page over breakfast.
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Blommie
Oh my goodness! What on earth is going on here? Genetic research is being done, masses of evidence based research is being done and then an uninformed journalist comes along and makes life difficult for all of those people suffering and fighting for their lives! I am emailing her!!!
D officially diagnosed April 2014 at age 13 after being hospitalised on a medical ward due to severe restriction. Been refeeding at home, doing FBT through CAMHS. Living life moment by moment
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Blommie
Just emailed her this:

Dear Ms Bakewell,

 

I am writing regarding the article in the Sunday Times regarding anorexia. I am appalled at your irresponsible and totally factually untrue statements regarding anorexia. If you had taken time to research it, you would have read that anorexia is a brain based, genetic illness and that there certainly are people in the refugee camps with eating disorders.

My daughter nearly died from an eating disorder, our lives stopped for 2 years as we helped her fight for her life and I find it insulting that you would say it is because she was narcissistic. She had no control over her illness, no more than somebody who gets cancer.

 

Please take time to read about this illness and I do hope that nobody you love ever gets ill with anorexia- I would not wish it on anybody, it is crippling and life destroying illness.

See http://www.feast-ed.org for information.

 

Kind regards

Tanya van Dalen

PS- I just saw on her Twitter account that she has apologised for her remarks

D officially diagnosed April 2014 at age 13 after being hospitalised on a medical ward due to severe restriction. Been refeeding at home, doing FBT through CAMHS. Living life moment by moment
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deenl
Good job!

She may have apologised but will the Sunday Times print a factually based article on the front page next week?

We should all write to the Times too.

Cheers,
D
2015 12yo son restricting but no body image issues, no fat phobia; lost weight IP! Oct 2015 home, stable but no progress. Medical hosp to kick start recovery Feb 2016. Slowly and cautiously gaining weight at home and seeing signs of our real kid.

May 2017 Hovering around WR. Mood great, mostly. Building up hour by hour at school after 18 months at home. Summer 2017 Happy, first trip away in years, food variety, begin socialising. Sept 2017, back to school FT first time in 2 years. [thumb] 2018 growing so fast hard to keep pace with weight
  • Swedish proverb: Love me when I least deserve it because that's when I need it most.
  • We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence Recovery, then, is not an act but a habit. Aristotle.
  • If the plan doesn't work, change the plan but never the goal.
  • We cannot control the wind but we can direct the sail.
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zuzmat
And another one.....!!


Dear Ms Bakewell,

 

As a prominent public figure in a position of influence, I would have expected you to have researched your facts before spouting such inflammatory words about a deadly illness. 

 

A huge amount of evidence based research and study has concluded that anorexia is a brain based, genetic illness and that there most certainly are many people in refugee camps, and in all parts of the world, with eating disorders.

 

My daughter has anorexia and nearly died from this disease.  She still struggles on a daily basis and her life will always be marred by this horrible illness.  I can assure you, that far from narcissistic, my daughter has appallingly low self-esteem and hates the sight of herself.  This is common amongst anorexia sufferers.

 

Thousands of people around this country, and the world, are struggling with this devastating illness which destroys lives – those of the sufferer and of their families.  To belittle it in the way that you have, is deeply insulting.  Furthermore, your ignorant comments simply serve to perpetuate the stigma and prejudice surrounding this appalling illness.  Rather than provoke debate, I think you have seriously set back progress towards acceptance and understanding.

 

I hope that the response that your comments have received will encourage you to read up on this illness and better understand the suffering of so many.

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trusttheprocessUSA
I read the article where she is quoted as saying "No one has anorexia in societies where there is not enough food. They do not have anorexia in the camps in Syria. I think it’s possible anorexia could be about narcissism.”  

How does she know? Only people who have the genetics for Anorexia are suffering in the refugee camps. If my son was in this refugee camp and was faced with lack of food his Anorexia most likely would trigger and he would waste away. Treatment and medication would not be available. He would die due to starvation. Her quote is simply not scientific. AND information that is not based in the science of the last 5 years is obsolete and therefore irrelevant. 
Son diagnosed @ 12.5 yrs old with Severe RAN 2/11. Co-morbids - anxiety, Active restriction for 3 months. He stopped eating completely 2x. He needed immediate, aggressive treatment from a provider who specialized in eating disorders, adolescents and males. We got that at Kartini Clinic. WR since 5/11. 2017 getting ready to graduate slipping lost 8lbs. Fighting our way back.
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Bottle
I've just seen this on Twitter by B-eat which -(is it just me?)-has made me face palm.
https://www.b-eat.co.uk/latest/4187-apology-issued-after-claim-eating-disorders-are-due-to-narcissism?utm_content=buffer29f1c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

The line about genetic predisposition TRIGGERED BY TRAUMA.
Personally I've never found B-eat to be any use to us but when I saw the guy was going to be on the news I thought "oh great-an official advocate" &so I read the link.
Am now watching the C4 news on plus one to see whether he says this on the news, you know, just to make it clear to the public that our children are all traumatised *parents to blame* GRRRRRRRRRR. Honestly you couldn't make it up.

Bottle
D2 RAN as part of Pervasive Refusal Syndrome with a history of not walking for a year and being non verbal for a short while too. Considered to be Aspergers by everyone that has worked with her and by us but still awaiting a diagnosis that'll help us access support services she needs.
D1 recovered RAN and D3 doing pretty well considering the mayhem around here!
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Bottle
Ok the news featuring b-eat was fine at least. Not that part of their position statement is really off imo.
Bottle
D2 RAN as part of Pervasive Refusal Syndrome with a history of not walking for a year and being non verbal for a short while too. Considered to be Aspergers by everyone that has worked with her and by us but still awaiting a diagnosis that'll help us access support services she needs.
D1 recovered RAN and D3 doing pretty well considering the mayhem around here!
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Jasmine1
it's in The Daily Mail today with some Doctors backing her up!! I've written to radio 4 who are discussing her statements at lunchtime today. Now people with eating disorders will be stigmatized even more. As if it's not already hard enough. Incredibly damaging to make such sweeping judgements with no evidence.
Daughter was age 11 when she started restricting Aug 2014, admitted to paed ward Dec 2014 for low BP, pulse rate and spent 3 weeks there. As they were about to NG tube her, she decided to eat again. After approx. 1.5 years on a meal plan and lots of toil, sweat and tears she is weight restored and has just been discharged from NHS care. It's been a very slow traumatic process but each day we are making progress.
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MarcellaUK
Joan Bakewell has apologised and I think should be left to decide for herself whether she wants to follow the arguements she has stirred.

She is 82 and has no knowledge of AN as a mental illness and it's sadly perhaps not surprising that she came to this conclusion if people who should know better like the Royal College of Psychiatrists are quoted as linking this serious mental illness to social images

Hopefully the likes of the BBC will listen to those who really know about the illness and even quote some of us in their upcoming coverage. The twitter storm has included some nasty stuff on both sides but also a LOT of really informed comment. 
Fiona Marcella UK
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strugglingthrough
The Times managed to print something less unreasonable in response to the reaction to their front page article in Sunday - small and on page 13.

Hoping radio 4 better.
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hopeful_mum
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3492574/Joan-Bakewell-wins-backing-former-anorexia-sufferers-doctors-say-comments-condition-right.html ...This is the daily mail article jasmine1 mentioned.
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HillBilly
If nothing else Joan Bakewells comments have resulted in debate and awareness as per You&Yours on BBC Radio 4 this morning. Some very articulate and insightful speakers and emails.

http://bbc.in/1RJbi3o
HillBilly (formerly registered June 2012 under another name)
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Radcliffe
Yes I thought some of those who rang in to the 'call you and yours' program on radio 4 yesterday were excellent and it was was great to hear so much sense talked about EDs.

However I was very disappointed to hear Andrew Radford (the head of B-eat) say that EDs are caused by a genetic element that is triggered by trauma. Obviously sometimes an ED is triggered by trauma but not always. Him saying that on national radio further stigmatises families of those with an ED and gives the completely wrong message. It is so depressing that the head of our main eating disorder charity would say such an unenlightened thing. 

It is easy to send an email to B-eat on their web site - I have complained in no uncertain terms!


Mum of recovering 16 year old daughter. 4 years into recovery.
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