| Laura Collins |
| | Oct 08, 2005 at 02:22 PM | Reply with quote | #1 |
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We have a number of participants here at various stages of re-feeding. It would be great to hear how it is going at 2 weeks, at 2 months, at whatever stage you are at - good news and bad. Remember: new parents come to this board every day wondering whether to try this approach - your stories are helpful to them! Here's mine: daughter became anorexic 3+ years ago, started home refeeding within a few months of restricting, no hospitalization or inpatient, back to physical health in 3-4 months, slowly back to emotional health over following year. In past two years needed periodic support but no major relapses, now in freshman year of college. Your turn! Laura |
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| L |
| | Oct 08, 2005 at 03:41 PM | Reply with quote | #2 |
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Our always thin 12 yo d increasingly restricted foods very slowly over a year, but didn't become blatantly anorexic until after a health class discussing obesity and a family member began dieting. Decided she wanted to eat in the most healthy way possible. Started home refeeding within a week of identifying the anorexia (thanks to this web site), but in retrospect two months after her making more significant restrictions. Now 6 weeks later, is weight restored after gaining 20# via 3000-3500 calories daily and no physical activity for 4 weeks. Lots of emotional melt downs, anger, and difficulty being physically "touched." Now back to some physical activity, but still has a number of food phobias (certain types of fats, sugar). Emotionally somewhat less volatile and we are starting to widen food variety. I'd love to hear whether your recovered d's have food phobias/restrictions or eat full, unrestricted diets. Hoping and desperate for emotional recovery!
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| Whistler |
| | Oct 10, 2005 at 07:23 AM | Reply with quote | #3 |
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Our apparently-thriving 14-y-o went off a cliff in the middle of June and lost 23 pound in 5 weeks. We struggled painfully through the summer, found refeeding (and Laura's book and this wonderful message board), and started at the end of August. Our D. is gaining slowly--since her weight never got very low we and drs. didn't feel we needed to force rapid gain--and she's coming back mentally towards who she was. Still struggles and the occasional blowup, like yesterday when she ventured out and without asking me bought and ate a muffin, then got very upset. But she ate it, and the scope of the upsets gets less every week. I can't say every day, because some are better than others, but she's thriving in school and most of our struggles aren't over her eating everything on her meal plan when she's here, but over what happens when she's at school or with friends. For those who are new here, there are many stories like mine: I came to the board frightened and desperate at what was happening to my d., not knowing if we could do this or if it would work, then got support through the first hard weeks, both moral and practical (thank you everyone!), then keep coming here, getting and trying to offer help and suggestions as we keep working through today's and this week's problems while our d. recovers with our help. Refeeding is hard, but not anywhere near as hard as watching your child starve and not knowing what to do or how to do it. Best, Whistler |
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| Jane |
| | Oct 10, 2005 at 08:49 AM | Reply with quote | #4 |
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It was exactly one year ago this coming Thursday that we began Maudsley. Last fall my d was running cross country and trying to eat "healthy." She quickly dropped about 20 lbs and fell into AN along with a debilitating depression. In the early months we concentrated almost entirely her physical health and trying to help her through the intense misery that came with re-feeding. Later very gradually in very small increments we turned more responsibility for nutrition over to my d. She's doing great in terms of eating behavior. Her recovery is beginning to seem so much more solid. She's come such a long way and has worked hard to build a good life in the place of the one anorexia shattered. We had just moved before she became ill and she was in a new school where she knew no one. During AN she was so isolated and lonely. As she slowly began to feel better she began to settle in at school, make friends, take on new activities. She's a great girl and I'm so proud of her. I considered making a cake in celebration of our anniversary but inspired by Cheforexic's odes to pie a la mode with whipped cream--"the trifecta of desserts"--I think I'll go that route. Apple maybe. Many thanks to Laura and all the posters on the board. It makes me think of the Swedish proverb "Shared joy is a double joy; shared sorrow is half a sorrow." Best wishes for health and happiness to all the families here. Jane
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| jake |
| | Oct 10, 2005 at 11:34 AM | Reply with quote | #5 |
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Update for our d who started restricting/purging in May this year: Discovered the dreaded truth in July of this year and d confirmed this. My wife Marie was suspecting as d had lost a lot of weight but as a dad I was blind to this. We sought trad. therapy which failed to produce results I almost fell for the traditional quagmuire that caters to anorexia/bulemia. That did not happen, thank God! Thanks also to my wife who clubbed me over the head with the common sense of Maudsley. Sept 22 began the refeeding with help from Dr. le Grange and his team at U of Chicago. Our d hated the initial visit and the first weekend of refeeding almost broke our hearts to see how distrought our d was over something as simple as finishing a meal. We shed many tears but are trying to smother the life out of the ED by suppporting and loving our d. Also important was seperating the ED from our d. Hate the disease and not the child. She has come so far since then and it has only been a few weeks. My wife has done the vast majority of the meals packed with caring and calories. We have heard our d laughing, singing, and saying thank you on occasion. Although she is a bit angry about the re-feeding I assured her that she will probably be able to see this differently in a few months. As the parents sometimes we have to sacrifice temporary friendship for the future of our child. Thanks to all the postings that are supportive of saving the lives of our kids. Laura has done great work here and the support we all give eachother makes the journey much smoother. thanx jake |
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| Sam Wright |
| | Oct 10, 2005 at 12:24 PM | Reply with quote | #6 |
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My 12 (now 13 year old) daughter has regained health albeit at a lower body weight after discovery of her Anorexia in March. She had dropped from 118 to 87lb in six weeks. After a mad search of all the published materials on eating disorders I could find, I came across, "Eating with your Anorexic." I was immediately sold on the the Maudsley Method but my wife had strong reservations (which diminished over time). My wanted to take the "soft, gentle approach" and we gradually increased calories over time. She felt that too aggressive approach would reverse the minute gains we had achieved. I still felt that we should have increased calories quicker but since she would not agree, we settled on the slow gain approach. We inched up the calories and her health and mindset improved. After six months, she has regained her period and has grown but is still very skinny. I would like to see her gain an additional 10lbs so to have a "margin of health" should she suffer ill health or stressful situation which would cause her to lose weight suddenly. She now is 95lbs. Her first therapist used the traditional-"it's the parent's fault" approach and was about getting my daughter's "feelings about eating" out in the open. We both felt that the direction was counterproductive and we switched therapists. Our current therapist is a family oriented with little knowledge about eating disorders. Though in my opinion she has wildly outdated notions about eating disorder "causes", she doesn't use them in therapy. Instead, she has focus on issues of adolescence and the dysfunction in our family. It is a rich topic and my daughter seems to be responding well. She hates talking about the eating disorder. Now, unfortunately, she thinks Dad is to blame for her eating disorder. It is a bullet I am happy to take if she becomes better physically as a result. Eventually, though, she will probably need more therapy to get a more realistic perspective on her illness, father and the family. This has been a gruelling year emotionally for all of us. I sometimes wonder if all the tension of the marriage is the cause of the illness. We have endured. My daughter lives. |
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| nancy |
| | Oct 10, 2005 at 02:50 PM | Reply with quote | #7 |
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I love to read these updates and hear of progress, thanks for the posts and the feeling that goes into these respinses. Parents of anorexica sure have to be unconditionally loving and determined.
I still consider us at 'negative anorexia' stage (like on a number line, we are "less than zero"). First we must conquer the copying ritual it seems to me, then we will be dealing with the "zero" level, i.e more typical restricting anorexia, at which point we can try more conventional refeeding (like maudsley at home, or at mandometer clinic, as the circumstances dictate). |
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| marie |
| | Oct 11, 2005 at 10:58 PM | Reply with quote | #8 |
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Good days and tougher ones. We are two 1/2 weeks into re feeding our 16 year old who was restricting, purging, and exercising. We knew what we were up against and NOTHING is as bad as watching our daughter slip away helplessly with our hands tied behind our backs. Been there, done that. First week no school. With our d 24/7. Meals went from extremely tearful/d "hating us" one minute to hugging us the next with calm resolve and love in return. Lots of ED talk would suddenly and without warning, peek thru. Meal times reduced from 2.5 hr average to 45 min average! Second week the incentive was to get back to favorite class - AP Art after lunch - her last class of the day. Did it well. Time getting thru meals reduced to almost 1/2 hr. Days of refusing to talk at the table or at all on occasion. Improved as week went on. UofC therapist thought it possible to go back to school 3rd week. Mom will meet her for lunch and eat in an empty school counselor's ofc. Picked up after school and head home. Try to have things to look forward to on a daily basis. Third week - school full time. Is eating in a very reasonable - almost normal time. Rituals of wanting to take "all the brown off the croissant" or "This sandwich is dry/cold, can I take the crust off?" on the rise. *Full school started yesterday (Mon). Big triggers here. Although she ate all food so she was able to make class on time, she ate with herr back to me and was angry with everything I said bcz she was having to "do this". As she walked out without a goodbye, I took a few minutes composing myself realizing deeply that this is incredibly hard for her. *Tue. lunch went great! We chit-chatted and made up for "lost talk". I had been able to hug her and tell her what a great job she is doing and that I know this is hard. She left cheerfully and I honestly closed my eyes with a silent "YES! She did it up today!" as I left the building. Dinner was h birthday and, with our son, we had dinner out (son at local college). Snack after dinner at home went very poorly. D tried to argue, twist words, not eat, barter for something else (which she got this time) and make a huge mess to get back at us for having her eat. Tough not to be pulled in, but h and I continue to be on the same page. Rethinking full school at this point. Will talk with therapist this Thurs. Will be looking into tutor to get her comfortable with school and the "catch-up". Will check into a stress relieving yoga class. Every day is different; every meal or snack and in-betweens can be different. My husband and I realize in the big picture, there is great improvement. We know she can see and acknowlege improvement herself. She can actually say, "I wish it was like BEFORE - before the ED took over !" Then the ED will make her forget for now that she said that. Those thoughts and similar phrases are coming more freely and more frequently. Thanks to Laura and all of you who, bcz of being able to share these improvements in writing, make it clearer for us to see ! |
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| Susan |
| | Oct 12, 2005 at 12:15 PM | Reply with quote | #9 |
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My always slim 15 yo d started cutting out junk food and desserts over a year ago and then noticeably lost weight when she became a vegetarian last Sept. She lost her period soon thereafter. Excessive exercise was not a big problem although it did increase somewhat. Obsession with cooking, recipes, etc. was very apparent. Initial weight loss was about 8 pounds, and we were advised to serve the food, say nothing, and leave the eating to our d. Our d slowly lost more weight over the next 6 months which included a 2 week hospital stay for low body temp. We also tried individual therapy with a couple of non-Maudsley practitioners which was counterproductive in that they eventually focused on the mother being too pushy and not willing to accept professional advice. We started Maudsley when summer vacation started with my h taking 6 weeks off from work. Together, we managed to withstand all the anger, verbal abuse, and physical destruction. In a month, our d was back at a healthy weight (higher than her preAN weight), and got her period back. The behavioral and psychological improvements took much more time. The anger lessened first. Our d started enjoying some things again, and slowly her old persona began to reemerge. The first 2 months after weight restoration, however, were still extremely challenging behaviorally. We engaged in weekly family therapy with a Maudsley therapist, but our d never really participated, and was extremely angry when we talked about the AN directly. Although my h tried to be supportive, this was much more difficult for him. I had to remind him over and over that if we backed down, we were just prolonging the agony for our d. I ended up being the enforcer most of the time while my h helped with the cooking and caring for our younger d. What got us through was this board with its compassionate and generous parents, the support of my sister, and the support of the Maudsley therapist. Our d is weight restored for almost 4 months now, and is greatly improved behaviorally and psychologically. Starting high school was a terrific motivator for her. After a very sad end to 8th grade, I think she was eager to start anew. While our d is much happier and doesn't speak directly about the AN, we can tell she is still in its grips. There is still some restricting, fats mostly, and she will not eat unless it's mealtime or snacktime, and only because we require it. She can eat lunch independently with her friends, and has little trouble eating at restaurants. All in all, more successful than we dared to hope. Thank you Laura and all the other wonderfully supportive parents. One last thought: trust your parental instincts. Even though we respected our therapist, we went against her advice when we let our d start school with unsupervised lunches and gave her permission to go on a 1 1/2 day retreat at the beginning of the school year. We just felt she needed a chance to prove she could manage on her own, and could tell she really wanted this new school experience to be different from her last one. That decision made all the difference: she could start her new school with new friends and be just like everyone else. |
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| WorriedMom |
| | Oct 12, 2005 at 01:08 PM | Reply with quote | #10 |
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Our 14-y-o d was always very thin--her weight all last year was 81 pounds, and she was about 4'10-1/2. She's been a dancer and last year went back to competitive gymnastics. We don't really know when the restricting started--I raised the whole question of anorexia with her dr last December and was politely told to butt out, she was fine.
Things started unraveling emotionally for her in April--she thought maybe she had OCD, she came to us crying about the obsessive thoughts she couldn't get out of her head. I wanted to take her to a therapist, as she seemed so anxious, but she said no, and we decided to watch and wait.
That's when she lost weight--about 6 pounds between beginning of May and mid-June. Suddenly the whole picture came clear. She was officially diagnosed with anorexia & depression at tail end of June, and we started her on anti depressants and "trying to eat." In mid-July after a very hot spell she wound up in the hospital with extremely low heart rate (30-35); her body could not thermal regulate and she was refusing to drink enough to stay hydrated, even water. She wound up in intensive care, where the drs wanted to put in an ng tube as she still wouldn't eat. But--faced with the prospect, she began eating, very slowly and painfully. A week later at home, with her heart rate up considerably, we were supposed to keep her eating. The drs. and nutritionist started her 1200 calories a day, and then going up every three days. Each time we went up it caused her so much anxiety, both before and after--it seemed pointless. At some point I asked if she wanted to just jump up to a decent calorie count so she could get better, and she said yes. (Immediately followed by NO, NO, NO!!, but still.) So we jumped to 2500 calories a day and she started gaining weight, v slowly.
We're now about 9 weeks into refeeding. She's gained about 15-16 pound from her lowest weight of 70. She needs to gain another 8 to 10. She's on a different anti depressant, mirtaxipine (remeron), which is helping with sleep issues and seems to help the anxiety too. But she still shows a lot of the AN behavior, including screaming, trying to run away, crying for many hours, anxiety, clinginess, and, more rarely, rage. And she still suffers with the AN thinking and obsessiveness. About 3 or 4 times she's worked herself up into such a frenzy that she literally couldn't eat, or do anything, and just had to cry herself to sleep. But there are also more good days now. And, most importantly to me (besides the weight gain), she is beginning to talk about feelings more--it's not just the "I'm fat!" tape that comes on when she feels upset, but occasionally now we hear the real feelings under there.
As I read others' stories I feel it's taking us a very long time to get her weight restored. Truth to tell, this is the most she's ever weighed in her life, and that scares her. Clearly the behavioral and emotional stuff lags far behind physical health restoration, though, and it's good to hear that from others as well.
Keep up the good and very hard work, all of you. Your child's life is worth it. That's what we know to be true.
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| dooger |
| | Oct 17, 2005 at 09:41 PM | Reply with quote | #11 |
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I have been waiting a few days with our update, as I wanted to give a first-hand account of my daughter's status - we just returned from "parent's weekend" after her first 6 weeks solo back at college. A quick synopsis: She developed AN during her freshman year in college, started restricting early November last year, but only had minor weight-loss until going back after winter-break. Major restricting Jan-April, total weight-loss of ~40 lbs. We were aware of some weight loss, but had no idea of extent - she was 3000 miles away. Returned home in May, immediate hospitalization with severe cardiac symptoms, complete bed-rest x 4 weeks, total time in hospital 6 weeks, gained about 16 lbs. Released to home for completion of refeeding (hospital supportive of Maudsley, helped set up support team of nutritionist, therapist and M.D.), I took 8 week leave of absence from work to make this possible. She was cooperative and very brave, from the get-go wanted to get well, wanted her life back. Major anxiety and fear, tears at every meal, but fast, steady weight gain. Ate about 4500 cal/day for several weeks in July. Remained vegetarian (have been since age 12) but gave up vegan diet, and added eggs and dairy. By end of July, she was allowed some exercise. In August we started gradual independent eating. Mid August she reached her IBW (ideal body weight) of 137 lbs. By September she had added the 5 lbs "buffer" requested by M.D. First week of Sept., she returned to college. 6 weeks into it, she is doing incredibly well. She lost 2 lbs the first week she was there, but has held steady at 140 lbs ever since. She eats from her meal plan, but no longer writes it down (can keep it in her head). She has dealt with many quite challenging situations, like trip to New York, and weekend biology field trip. Her room-mate and several girls in her dorm knows about her problem, and are very supportive (where were they last year??). She is seen every week by health center for weight check, and likes her new therapist and nutritionist. Her dexa-scan came back close to normal, but we are still waiting for her period to return. Her doctor has invited her to participate in the training of head-residents for next year, to find ways of preventing girls with eating disorders from "falling through the cracks" like she did, and she has agreed. She is enjoying her classes, but not obsessing about them, and is making plans for her junior year abroad. She still have some issues, will not eat desserts, ice-cream and a few other things. Looking a most kids her age, her diet is very comparable, if not better. There may be obstacles in her future, however, I am feeling very optimistic at this time. Refeeding "broke the back of the AN", as Jane put it, and gave her a chance at record-speed recovery. We will continue close monitoring, and bring her back for more support if she needs it. |
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| momofdancer |
| | Oct 25, 2005 at 12:04 PM | Reply with quote | #12 |
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We are in week 3 of a relaxed refeeding program. Some days are better than others. I think we were able to confront our dd's Ed early before it became worse. She hadn't lost any weight but was beginning to restrict her food choices and intake. It seems like for every step my dd takes forward with her eating there is a step backwards with increased anxiety and AN thoughts. We just keep telling her that is the AN wanting her to remain sick. She has told me that she feels like 2 people are living inside of her. The side that is hungry and wants to eat and the AN side. I almost cried last night when she told me that she is hungry all of the time and wants to eat. She even ate a mini bag of popcorn last night after her evening snack on her own. I hesitate to write that because everytime she takes a step forward those AN thoughts come back full force. She is eating a lot of food. We are working on adding back in those high calorie foods but since she never really ate them anyway it is difficult. She has asked us to pick her up for lunch on the days that she has to be at the dance studio. She said that the ED talk and girls who won't eat just trigger her AN thoughts and she doesn't want to be around them. She said that she feels bad eating all of her food around those girls who are skipping lunch. I was so thankful last night when she told me that one of the girls who is the ringleader in the ED talk has been approached by the studio about her eating disorder. She has to see a nutritionist and will be monitored by the studio. We are worn out. I have never thought this much about food or calories in my life. I hate the word vegetarian. Constantly thinking about all of this food makes me feel like I have an eating disorder. I can't imagine what it must be like to live everyday consumed by thoughts about food. |
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| Nina Salvino |
| | Oct 25, 2005 at 12:47 PM | Reply with quote | #13 |
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hi mom of dancer, i'm so glad you were able to catch the ed so early on. it really sounds like your d is a strong person. just being able to discuss it and admit that the ed exists is really positive. my d has yet to admit that there is a problem at all. she's so young though (12 next mo) that i don't think she totally understands her own feelings. i have her seeing a therapist who specializes in ed once a week, so hopefully that will help. i know what you mean about the food. i've never thought of food so much in my life. i'm constantly counting calories and planning the next meal. i miss the carefree days. i haven't seen my d pick up a piece of food on her own in a year. if it's in front of her, she'll eat it. only because she knows she has to. on the other hand, she appears really happy most of the time which is encouraging. i think this has everything to do with refeeding and getting her healthy. she's still has the anxieties but that's part of the ed. it seems that all girls that develop this thing have anxieties and lots of them. hang it. you're doing a great job. nina |
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| Ellen |
| | Nov 02, 2005 at 03:42 PM | Reply with quote | #14 |
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We're about 107 days into re-feeding. We noticed the problem this past March, when we were living abroad for a teaching exchange semester. D started restricting and exercising and lost about 10 pounds. As soon as we got back in June we did the rounds of pediatrician, nutritionist, and therapists. We found a great ED therapist, but she was 3 hours away, and the hunt for someone locally, that our D could see weekly, would have been funny if it weren't so tragic and frustrating. The FIFTH therapist is a 'keeper' and I feel fortunate to have found her. We went through the same re-feeding nightmares that everyone else has: rage, anger, screaming, crying, etc. Those symptoms fairly quickly evaporated and were replaced by a terrible anxiety. That too has faded a bit, but she still is ambivalent about getting better. She's been at her target weight since August, but her period has not returned. I try to keep sane by having milestones...first it was that she would just put something in her mouth. Then it was that breakfast would last a shorter time than 4 hours...then it was that the supervised meals would progress smoothly and in a timely manner...then it was that she would eat (most of her) lunch at school on her own...then it was that she could go out with friends and eat something. The next three have yet to happen, but I'm confident they will (1) her period will return (2) she will really want to recover and (the biggie!) that (3) she'll return to having a normal relationship with food. Her moods have improved greatly, she seems less depressed, and, like most of you have expressed, I don't know what we would have done w/o the support of Laura and the other 'old-timers' here. They've provided encouragement, explanations, and recipes, and my gratitude is endless. Ellen |
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| Maeve |
| | Nov 09, 2005 at 03:51 PM | Reply with quote | #15 |
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My daughter became anorexic 3 months ago & I caught it within the first few weeks. She was initially making good progress seeing her pediatrician, dietician & therapist weekly. She was on the low end of a healthy weight range to start, lost 20 lbs in 6 weeks gained back 5, then stopped eating again and became extemely weak, depressed and pretty much incoherent. She has been enrolled in a Maudsley-based partial hospitalization program for a week. She's there 6 hours a day, including two meals packed by me, which she is required to finish. It's still extremely emotional & diffiicult for her to eat, but she's working hard, wants her old life back & is reluctantly eating everything put in front of her, including meals at home. She receives appropriate support the rest of the day which has helped her immensely. For me this is the best of both worlds. I am a single mom who is the sole support of my two daughters, so not working is not an option. The treatment program conveys one consistent message, "your parents know what you need", that supports my efforts at home & on the weekend. For those who haven't had success with a completely home-based refeeding, this type of program is a great alternative. |
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| dooger |
| | Nov 09, 2005 at 09:07 PM | Reply with quote | #16 |
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Maeve, Would you mind sharing what program she is enrolled in - maybe have it listed in the treatment guide? Maudsley, or other refeeding-based programs are few and far between. I am sure many are interested in where they are available. Also, please update us on your daughter's progress - I would love to know how this program works out, and how it compares to home-based refeeding. |
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| Maeve |
| | Nov 09, 2005 at 09:59 PM | Reply with quote | #17 |
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It's the Laurelwood Hospital Eating Disorders Program (Cleveland, Ohio area). The 5 day program is followed by a 3 evening per week (includes dinner) outpatient program. Includes support classes for parents along with medical monitoring, therapy, group sessions, etc. Today my daughter came home with an idea from the program to write down all the negative thoughts that kept her from getting well ("I'll get fat & ugly", etc.) & burn them. She had a pile of at least 20 pieces of paper which she burned in the fireplace & took pictures of . So far, it's a miracle, just keeping my fingers crossed. |
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| Whistler |
| | Nov 10, 2005 at 09:51 AM | Reply with quote | #18 |
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Maeve, Bravo! I'm really heartened by your story--you recognized the problem quickly, and found medical program that can work with you, your d., and your real life as it is.....it sounds like the program many of us imagine and hope that someone, somewhere will start--and there it is in Cleveland! (I'm in NYC, one of the world's medical capitals, and there ain't anything like it here, believe me.) Health and strength to you and your daughter! Whistler |
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| Mari |
| | Dec 19, 2005 at 09:41 AM | Reply with quote | #19 |
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We have the first 5 lbs! I'm so excited. It took more than 6 weeks to get there. I never thought I'd see the scale go up. Thanks so much to all for the encouragement and the great food ideas. My daughter still has a lot of trouble with the an fighting back, especially when eating in front of other people. And we still have 11 more pounds to go. I am looking forward to these next two weeks when she is off from school. Doesn't the average American gain 5 lbs around Christmas? Let's hope so...... |
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| valerie |
| | Feb 25, 2006 at 11:28 AM | Reply with quote | #20 |
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It seems that we are not doing well compared to the rest of you.
21 year old D started "eating healthy" 1 1/2 years ago. That turned into more and more restricting. March 2005 was her last period. Took her to MD who was very concerned. Wait list for local hosp. Diagnosed with AN . Then wait list for city hosp.
While waiting for hosp. bed for IP program started Maudsley with supervision of hosp team 7 weeks ago. Weight has gone up and down with a total gain of only 3 pds. (all the torture we've endured for only 3 pds) Still needs 23 more pds!!!!
Had appt. yesterday with new MP and new goals set...... is there any hope for her????
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| marcella |
| | Feb 25, 2006 at 12:17 PM | Reply with quote | #21 |
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Of course there's hope for her - her weight's gone UP not down for a start. It ISN'T easy - and we have had to abandon home re-feeding in favour of hospital care because that was honestly the safest way to do it - don't give up on your daughter, and don't lose faith in YOU - you're doing OK Valerie - it just IS hard hard stuff.
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| WorriedMom |
| | Feb 25, 2006 at 06:04 PM | Reply with quote | #22 |
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My d got her period today for the first time ever. Hooray! She has just turned 15 and is at about 92% of her IBW. I am more thrilled than I could ever have imagined at this event because it is proof that her body is healing.
Thank you all for all of the support you have offered over the last 7 months, and for all that we will continue to do for one another in the months to come.
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| Susan |
| | Feb 27, 2006 at 01:57 AM | Reply with quote | #23 |
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WM, I am so happy for you and your d at this very tangible sign of a healthier body. I remember waiting and waiting for this event which seemed to represent a much safer place physically, how happy we were when it happened, and how reassured I am each month when it returns. Hooray for you all, and I hope it brings some relief to you, at least, in this tough struggle to good health. |
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| valerie |
| | Feb 27, 2006 at 10:49 PM | Reply with quote | #24 |
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Marcella, how long did you attempt the home refeeding for, and what made you decide to hopitalize? (if it's personal, then you don't have to answer , of course)
Valerie |
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| marcella |
| | Feb 28, 2006 at 07:14 AM | Reply with quote | #25 |
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Hi there
I think it's time I did post my re-feeding update so here goes.
We didn't choose the Maudsley Method - here in the UK the state funded healthcare system doesn't allow for much in the way of choice in mental health care - on the other hand it doesn't leave those without private insurance with nothing, so I'm not knocking it really. We had the MM chosen for us - our daughter was identified as anorexic, first by me, and then when I took her there, by the GP who referred her to the local eating disorders team. They use Maudsley with under 18s. No explanation, no considering other options, they genuniely believed that we would want, at all costs, to keep our daugther out of hospital and would be able, with their encouragement, to re-feed her.
It was a huge struggle, complicated by the fact that my husband never believed in the method or the team and became increasingly mentally unwell under the strain of the process, and by the fact that our GP (who was brilliant and was the only person who managed to make a good relationship with d) was sceptical about the method and the team (I still respect this woman enormously and I regard her robust scepticism about most things as very healthy). D's behaviour (which had never been meek and mild) became dangerously out of control at times, with cutting, running away, dancing in the traffic etc. Initially encouraged by the ED team to see this as part of the anorexia (which of course it often is!) and latterly by both them and the GP to see it as something different but "developmental" I rejected my husband's pleas that d should be medicated - I still think that, at this point, that decision was correct as there wasn't a competent psychiatrist in the picture who could have chosen the right medication, but that's probably something we can disagree on for the rest of our lives.
However, possibly more by luck than good judgement, after two years of my attempting to take control, and six months of my backing off and just supporting d to eat what she chose, d regained a healthy weight and was promptly discharged from the eating disorders team with huge sighs of relief on all sides.
We had, of course, not got to the very top of the sand-hill.
D maintained a safe enough but not healthy weight and a safe enough, but not happy lifestyle throughout the last two years of high-school. We were both hugely supported by both her teachers and her doctor to maintain this - was it "keeping her safe until she grows out of it" as the doc intended, or allowing her to remain sick? Who knows, probably a bit of both!
In the summer of last year, her doctor left her and she left school. She started college and began to indulge in the typical student lifestyle - late nights and fairly large quantities of alcohol. Her new docs were overworked and burdened with all their other patients, hadn't had the handover they might have had (looonnnng story there!) and either had little knowledge of EDs or, as I feel, much worse, a lot of very old fashioned and out of date knowledge of EDs. They were looking out for depression, withdrawal, a quiet but acknoweldged fear of eating and an obsession with food and diet. My d presented with none of these things, insisted she WAS eating (which of course she was, but not nearly enough) was partying wildly (much like all the rest of the students it has to be said) and would only go to them for treatment for her "depression" which she acknowledged - which they didn't because she wasn't classically depressed.
At this point the law being an ass made a considerable difference too. D having turned 18 meant that no-one could do anything without her consent unless it was proved that she was "sectionable" ie a danger to herself and we couldn't prove she was sectionable because we didn't know what she weighed. The same team who had seemed to expect us as parents to be able to walk on water for our daughter in the Maudsley days, seemed to be only able to wring their hands and say "she has to choose" (although I now think they were working in the background trying to set up IP at this point, but since d wouldn't talk to them and they couldn't legally talk to me I don't really know)
D eventually admitted that her weight was far too low, tried to re-feed herself by bingeing, terrified both herself and us in the process and made a couple of suicide attempts and was admitted IP just after Christmas.
The psychiatrist at the IP has diagnosed her as being bi-polar and has given as big a hint as possible that so is hubby. It is a diagnosis she is prepared to accept (unlike that of anorexia which she still disputes) and it certainly does answer many questions.
I still believe in Maudsley - for many families. All of you here who are plodding on will probably get there in the end. If your daughter was, like Olympia Collins, a smart, well adjusted, happy teen before the AN struck, there is every chance that if you stick at it, re-feeding pure and simple, will bring that lovely girl back to you eventually. Even with our problems we almost got to the top of the sand-hill and I'm fairly sure that, with the background of bi-polar and alcholism in the family Lock and LeGrange wouldn't have considered us suitable for the method in the first place - NOT BECAUSE THESE DIAGNOSES MAKE US BAD PARENTS but because they make the application of a behavioural method for one thing, without the correct treatment of co-morbid conditions, is just too damn hard.
My d is still a voluntary patient in the IP. She's often very unhappy there both because she's being made to eat and gain weight which is so hard for anorexics, and because she's homesick. I wish we could do it at home. She knows we can't. She's considering staying longer than the originally recommended 3 months because she knows that's the best way to ensure that she remains well - but having been sick for so long, she's very frightened of what "well" might be like and she isn't confident that she can do it. However I hope that she can and that we will be able to help her, not, from home as is the Maudsley ideal, but from a slight distance, not because we are "controlling" and she needs to be rescued from us or because she is "trying to avoid responsibility" and needs to be forced to grow up but because she's sick, and sometimes sick people have to be treated in hospital.
Sorry that was soooo long - I have a head cold and am not thinking entirely straight so if it makes no sense at all, please forgive me!
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| valerie |
| | Feb 28, 2006 at 11:23 AM | Reply with quote | #26 |
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Oh Marcella. You've had such a long, hard time! I hope that everything works out for you and your family! Your story inspires me and makes me feel bad for complaining about how hard this is.
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| Susan |
| | Feb 28, 2006 at 01:26 PM | Reply with quote | #27 |
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Marcella, Far from sounding muddled, I found you told your very complicated story in a very articulate and insightful manner. For those who might consider Lock and LeGrange's study, I did want to share our information about whether a family history of psychiatric issues would prevent a family from being considered for the study. We informed Dr. Lock of our extended family history of schizophrenia, depression, alcoholism, and suicide (believe me, this raised an eyebrow with more than one doctor). Our d also had a personal history of some episodes which might indicate she had some psychiatric issues of her own. Dr. Lock's response was that in his experience, very few anorexic patients had comorbid psych problems, that most of the psychiatric issues resolved with refeeding. The family history of psych issues did not disqualify us from being considered for the study, but was something to keep in mind as we proceeded with treatment. So far, our d is doing very well although she tends to be on the anxious side, but we are aware her gene pool might cause problems for her in the future. Marcella, I hope you know how much we all appreciate your willingness to be so open about your family's experiences. I'm sure there are those out there who are benefitting from this open discussion of how complicated and confusing these situations can be. |
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| valerie |
| | Feb 28, 2006 at 04:47 PM | Reply with quote | #28 |
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Our daughter is also on the anxious side. We also have a lot of alcoholism on both sides of the family, on both her grandparents side(paternal and maternal) , and one of her uncles has been a heavy drug addict for over 20 years! This was one of the teams first questions to us, which led me to believe that the AN could be hereditary, after all it is like an addiction, only it's to NOT eating.
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| Amanda Skelton |
| | March 04, 2006 at 06:13 AM | Reply with quote | #29 |
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Hi everyone. Riche had his first fish in over 3 years on the weekend. He has been weight restored for 2 years now and at nearly 15 years of age is well and happy, but it seems like the whole anorexic process is still unravelling. It has certainly changed us all. |
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| L |
| | March 04, 2006 at 10:31 AM | Reply with quote | #30 |
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Hi Amanda, Thank you for sharing your update. It is good to know that an's continue to broaden their food choices even a few years later after initial refeeding. What do you mean about an continuing to unravel a few years later? Best, L |
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| Amanda Skelton |
| | March 04, 2006 at 07:02 PM | Reply with quote | #31 |
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Hi L, In retrospect, I guess it was a question. Riche is still 'extreme' in his attitude towards meat, eg not wanting to wash dishes that have had meat in them, and in light of his strong ocd component, possibly predating an, although I know this is still a subject under debate, I view eating fish as another step towards balanced healthy eating habits. Although I respect vegetarianism as a choice, in Riche I consider it as integral to having had an eating disorder. Thanks for your comments. I remain intensely interested in anorexia, and will do so until better treatment options exist in Australia. |
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| mom9495 |
| | March 07, 2006 at 10:48 PM | Reply with quote | #32 |
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It's been awhile since I posted a re-feeding update, but I remembered how much the postings helped us a year ago, when we were blind-sided by the disease. My daughter was 10 when she was diagnosed. One day in gym class in 5th grade, the class was weighed. She felt her weight was too high, was embarrassed about it and vowed never to be embarrassed about her weight again. Her solution? She stopped eating. Dropped 20 pounds in only a few weeks. By the time we got her in OP treatment at one of the best hospitals around, her body had already used all its fat reserves, and was feeding on its muscle. She barely had enough energy to get through the day. Her grades dropped, her heartrate was so erratic, couldn't stay warm, the soles of her feet were orange. I was petrified. Found Laura's book, ate up every bit of research I could find, and found great support from these message boards. We began re-feeding (not exactly with the support of our medical/therapy team). There was no negotiations. She ate what we put in front of her, when we put it in front of her, and as often as we put it in front of her. It may sound harsh, but she regained her lost weight (plus 15) in a relatively short period of time (3 months). We stopped her Prozac 3 months later, and therapy shortly after that. Kaleigh never responded well to her therapist -- didn't feel she could talk to a stranger about what was going on, when she didn't understand it herself. It was a long road. Lots of crying and pleading and second and third-guessing ourselves to convince ourselves we were doing more good than harm. But, ours, I'm so glad to say, is a success story. Today, Kaleigh is a happy, healthy 11 1/2 year old. She is still conscious of what she eats, but makes healthy choices now. She's come such a long way, and we're all so proud of her. But you know what, we're proud of us, too. We believed what we were doing was the right thing and stuck by our guns even when the "professionals" didn't agree with us. For all the parents going through it, listen to your own hearts, no one knows our children better than us -- not even the professionals. If you're lucky enough to be involved with Maudsley-supportive doctors, be very grateful. If your children respond well to therapy, there's even more to be thankful for. But, if none of that happens, rely on yourselves, listen to your own heart...do what you KNOW is the best thing for your child. One phrase from Laura's book runs through my mind a lot...something about "if your child had an infection, you wouldn't hesitate to give her antibiotics".....when our child had anorexia, the first cure was food. We worked on everything else after her body was healthy again. Keep your heads up, read all you can read, ask questions, give yourself a break now and then, and love your child...hate the disease with ever fiber in your being, but love your child even stronger. Wishing you all a speedy recovery and a healthy outcome. |
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| Coco |
| | March 07, 2006 at 11:26 PM | Reply with quote | #33 |
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mom9495, "Harsh"? Your love, determination and inner strength saved your child. There's nothing harsh about it. So happy to hear of your success, and we can only hope to hear more success stories from other parents and families dealing with this insidious disease that our children are so helpless against. That's what we're all here for, those of us who are fortunate to beat ED, to help others achieve the same for their children, save more lives, and educate the world about ED. Thank you for sharing and wishing you and your family the best, Coco
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| Laura Collins |
| | March 08, 2006 at 08:45 AM | Reply with quote | #34 |
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Mom9495 - you've made my day with your update. Your story says it all. And Coco is so right: "love, determination and inner strength" is not harsh!
This update thread is real people doing real hard stuff and living to tell the story. You are all my heros and I'm tickled to know you!
Laura
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| John Burns |
| | April 14, 2006 at 10:50 PM | Reply with quote | #35 |
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| Here is our update... Our straight-A, just-finished-7th grade, first child, tall and on the slim side 13-year-old D complained of stomach pain whenever she ate late last August while we were on a family vacation with friends at the beach in North Carolina. I took her to a new pediatrician upon our return (hadn't been in a while and she wanted a women doc--reasonable request) and she was sent for x-rays. Impacted stool was what we were told by her pediatrician. I should say that the pediatrician also said that an ED was something that she/we had to consider at that point given the circumstances--we didn't think so and neither did the doc... Significant weight loss and not much eating ensued. We were referred to a gastro-doc and while nice, he did every test he could think of to find out the physical cause of the stomach pain. By mid-October, our D was down to 87 lbs (from 115) and while at the gastro-doc, after the loss of a few more lbs in the course of a week, I arched an eyebrow when he said "We might have to put you in the hospital if this weight loss continues." Based on my reaction (??), he looked at her chart again, and that afternoon our D was admitted to the local children's hospital. Sadly, they had no expertise in EDs and so, after a week, the insertion of a NG feeding tube, the addition of 8 lbs, our D was released and we found a nutritionist and therapist who were familiar with EDs. We had come to the conclusion that our D had an ED just prior to the hospitalization though it wasn't easy for us (wife and I) to accept...the hospitalization occurred mid-October and we spent the rest of that month and into November trying to get our D to start eating again. Not much success there and the NG tube kept her alive while relieving her of the need to eat--a mixed blessing or perhaps no blessing at all. By mid November, we and our treatment team knew that trying to do this on our own wasn't working and we began searching for IP placements. This took 3+ weeks and culminated with my D and wife flying to Denver (from Orlando, FL) to begin the IP program for EDs at Children's Hospital there on December 1. As all of those who've been there or are going through this will know, I've left out the details regarding our formerly sweet D displaying some "Regan-like" behavior complete with profanity and knife-brandishing at the table. Many tearful meals, major depression--in short, our family of 4 (mom, dad, D and 11-year-old sister) were devastated. My wife stayed with our D for the first week of her time at Children's and then returned home to her job. She returned to Denver a week later and stayed for the next 4 weeks. D-2 and I went to Denver for a Christmas we'll never forget and then my wife and I swapped with me in Denver for a few weeks in January. Our D gained weight at Children's in Denver. Whatever else, we are all so grateful for my being able to write that. We chose Children's because they would work with our insurance, they took 13-year-olds, and because they had some degree of parent involvement. While we wish that there was more parent involvement--they are working on this--our D came home after 2 months at @ 95% of her ideal body weight. Since then (February 1), we've seen the depression lift and our D's weight has decreased. She is seeing a T (same as the one she was seeing in the fall) twice a week while seeing the nutritionist once a week. She is taking medication for depression and anxiety. The approach they take at Children's is to have patients be involved in meal planning (if they are able) so as to help them desensitize and lose their fear of food. Every day since December 1 then, we've meal-planned with our daughter. At the hospital, with a fixed menu that varied little, this was doable. Here at home, it has been a real time-sink and fallen to my wife. She hates it. D eats breakfast, lunch, snack, dinner and a before-bed snack. Just within the last week, I caught her throwing away food and she admitted to not eating all of her lunch at school. The ED is still there, still strong. I think we are both feeling like we've been sucker-punched. I think that we felt as though we deserved to be making more progress than this. Having said that, I need to remind myself that outside of eating, our D is doing very well--the heck of it is that my wife and I both think/realize that if we let her, our D would go right back to total restriction at this point and with that, would come the depression not to mention the threat to her physical well-being. I should also mention that our D has been back in school since she came back from Denver. Normal teen-issues there are not helping, but, short of home schooling, these issues can't be avoided. So, after 4 months of sustained treatment (I count from December 1--D's entry into Children's as that was when weight loss was reversed), we've definitely made progress. The sobering realization that our D's ED is still so strong and thus, likely to be a threat to her for the foreseeable future is utterly depressing. Some bullets to summarize: - We monitored this board a lot back in the fall--it was very helpful.
- If we could have done Maudsly, I think we'd have been further along. We just couldn't afford for one of us to quit their job.
- Children's Hospital in Denver gets our whole hearted support. The staff was outstanding and the hospital was super accommodating. When we are able, they will be the recipients of our charitable donations.
- The Ronald McDonald House across the street from Children's Hospital was a god-send. The staff and volunteers couldn't have been nicer and the better part of 2 months there cost less than one day of IP treatment. This included dinners brought in and prepared by volunteers every night as well as many breakfasts and lunches.
- Back at the ranch, two months on, my wife and I spend seven hours a week during our 9-5 jobs carting our D to doctor's appointments. The jobs were already stressful--they are more so now.
- While family and friends have been very supportive, I think we need to enter phase II of educating them about what it means to have a D with anorexia. Like us, with the return of physical health, they want desperately for our D to be cured--she is not--not even close.
- Our greatest frustration is that we went from a really wonderful supportive IP program to 2 hours a week with the T and a 30 minute visit with the nutritionist. The treatment team (those that have professional training) are great--it is just not enough. Leaving Denver it was like driving off a cliff. All too easy for the ED to creep back in.
Justifiably or not, I feel not so much helpless as angry that we don't have a better option at this point with respect to post-IP treatment. I do appreciate this board and other's stories of success. I think I appreciate the stories of struggle even more.--John |
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| WorriedMom |
| | April 14, 2006 at 11:17 PM | Reply with quote | #36 |
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John--
Thanks for posting your update. I too appreciate hearing others' stories of success and struggle.
I can't imagine meal planning with my d. She freaks out when asked whether she wants butter or cream cheese on her bagel. I wonder if there's a way you can kind of standardize the meals for now. I know it's ideal to feed your d a variety of foods during this recovery time, but I wonder if there's any piece of it that could become predictaable. My 15-y-o d eats the same breakfast most mornings, for instance: 1 cup of rolled oats cooked with 2 cups of soy milk, brown sugar, and cinnamon, plus a serving or two of fruit. She eats pretty much the same lunch and snack, too, come to think of it: a big bagel with about 4 T almond butter, an Ensure Plus, 2-3 servings of organic cheese puffs or chips, and milk for lunch; another Ensure Plus and a high-protein bar (300 cal) for snack. For dinner we mix it up, making sure to feed her a variety. In the ideal world we would keep the menu more varied; in the real world we don't have the time or energy to concoct many super high-calorie meals, and our primary concern has been getting enough calories into her every day. (She's been eating 4000 cal per day and gaining weight very slowly.)
I wanted to mention that sometimes schools can work with you more than you might realize. Our d was diagnosed last June, right after graduating 8th grade. When high school started in the fall she was in no shape to do a whole day of school. We were able to have her do just 3 classes a day at first, then work up to 5, and now she's back to 3, doing the other 2 online, as her stress level started to rise as the prospect of finals loomed. The school has been terrific, surprisingly, as my previous experiences with the school district here was not especially positive. I don't know if it's an option, for instance, to have your d do her coursework online and come to work with one of you sometimes? We've done that with our d sometimes when she was super anxious and it helped.
I can really relate to your sense of how long it all takes. We've been eating every meal with our d since last June. She has gained 30 pounds and is very close to her ideal weight now--just 3 or 4 pounds off, I think; she gets weighed next week and we'll know more then--which is really great. She's much much stronger and more physically together than she was 10 months ago. Mentally and emotionally, she has a long way to go. She has made a lot of progress, and now eats her afternoon snack on her own.
My h and I have hit a real point of exhaustion with everything, though. I think sheer adrenaline and terror kept us very strong for the first 10 months of this ordeal. Now his mother, with whom we're very close, has been diagnosed with stage iv lung cancer, so there's that to contend with as well. Plus we have a 10-yo- d who has a lot of feelings about all this, as you can imagine.
Some days I just can't see how we're going to get through the day. Then I think about the fact that our d struggles with the pain of this every minute of every day. I get a break when I go to work; she never does. Then my sorrow and grief for her overwhelms my self-pity, and on we go.
Sorry to wander on and on, but it does feel good to "talk" to people who understand.
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| dooger |
| | April 15, 2006 at 12:23 PM | Reply with quote | #37 |
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John, I am thrilled to hear of the progress you have made, and your positive experience in Denver. I know how far you have come - I don't think anyone on this board have experienced weaning their daughter off a feeding tube so far... I couple of comments - I think you realize what a critical time this is. The transition from the structured environment of IP to home is when most relapses occur. I am sure you have investigated what your options are, but it does not sound to me that the degree of support will be adequate for her to maintain her weight and continue making progress emotionally. We did Maudsley after our daughter was released from the hospital - and we didn't have to quit our jobs. I took leave under the Family and Medical leave act - max 12 weeks, of which I used 8. Those two months of constant supervision and support made a crucial difference for my daughter. When she was released from the hospital she was still in the grips of AN thinking, by the end of those two months, they had diminished tremendously. The other option would be to look into OP day programs - do you have any locally? Some will allow time during the day for school-work - a reduced schedule, but enough to somewhat keep up. I agree with WM - choices are great within a structured environment, however, you may find that less choices will create less anxiety and increased compliance. I wish you all the best - you should feel proud of what you have already accomplished! |
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| L |
| | April 15, 2006 at 09:10 PM | Reply with quote | #38 |
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Hi John, I too send my congratulations on how far you have come with your d. Like WorriedMom, giving our d choices and trying to plan meals was just too stressful to be productive. It created enormous anxiety on our d's part, which then led to our own stress. In turn, that meant that we weren't at our best with our d. Now, 6 months or so at full nutrition, our d can begin to be involved in making choices, but not always, as an thinking still sits beneath the surface. When it appears to be interfering with making the best choices, we take over. You note that your d is 95% of ideal body weight, but many have talked about ideal body weight being underestimated by some ed programs. And others have talked about making sure their d's got a few pounds over ideal body weight to have an extra cushion of nutritional protection. Others have also talked about how just a few pounds under ideal body weight wasn't quite enough to turn the psychological corner. We provided about 4000 calories per day until our d was just over the 50th percentile body mass index for her age, which was much more weight than I ever expected she would need to gain. The an thinking is so painfully slow to recover. I know that the first few months after our d had regained weight were the hardest for me, as I expected faster psychological recovery. Now, 6 months later, I can see continued slow improvement. But I emphasize SLOW! Nonetheless, our d is sleeping well, enjoying time with her friends, and planning for the future. Hang in there. The place you are at takes enormous strength. Come to this board for support. There are so many wise parents here to help. Best, L e. |
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| kris |
| | April 19, 2006 at 01:52 PM | Reply with quote | #39 |
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We are starting our 4th day on a self-guided Maudsley approach.
Our daughter, just turned 10, and only 53" tall had dropped to 52 pounds from 60 in the last 6 weeks. This was started by her getting an orthodontia apparatus that made it hard to eat - then the chemical in her brain obviously got altered and the AN took over our child like an alien in "Invasion."
After a weekend of battles, tears, "I don't have a problem" protests, we have some good news:
No argument at breakfast this morning. We're adding an Ensure drink for her to take with nurse at school at 10A and we added a shake as snack. We actually got to 1600 calories yesterday!! Hoping to keep piling on more calories.
Also, she was more talkative (in between meal struggles) yesterday, and she actually did some drawing again. Still standing constantly and wearing a sweatshirt even though it was 80 degrees outside, but I'll take what I can get.
We invited her grandparents for dinner last night and that seemed to help with keeping her involved. She had previously gone to "that place" where a fog came over her face whenever we sat down for dinner. Did battle for 45 minutes over drinking her milk. Helped to have Grandma take the 2 yr old and 7 yr old sisters in another room. That is one of the hardest things is worrying about the damage to them.
Found a therapist that we are going to meet with - she is familiar with M.A. and sounds supportive. Mostly I think an authority figure confirming what we are saying will help my daughter accept this.
The earlier success story about the 10 year old was very encouraging to us.
Thank you to all of you!
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| Hope2 |
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Dear Laura, When you first posted this thread you wrote how your d over the past two years has needed periodic support but no major relapses. I've been curious as to what that actually meant. Would you mind sharing what the red flags were to her needing your support and what needed to be done. Thank you. |
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| Laura Collins |
| | April 26, 2006 at 07:17 AM | Reply with quote | #41 |
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Hope2,
This is a good question, and I hope to hear from other long-term Maudsley families on this as well?
In our case, our daughter slowly regained the ability to eat comfortably and fully on her own. We went from being in charge of what, where, when and how much completely - to her doing all that herself, over a period of a year.
But we did not stop periodic weighing, or talking through the feelings and emotions, or being a sounding board when she found herself with impulses to restrict. That role has decreased over time but not ended. Every year has offered new challenges as well: illness, travel on her own, and moving away to college last fall. These challenges have required her to step up her abilities as well.
She does have anorexic thoughts at times - especially when underfed or under stress. She does have to work at making sure she gets enough food for her activity level. She has had 3-4 times when her weight fell a few pounds and we supported her accordingly. Each time she has been better able to regain stability and do the work on her own.
Physically, she has suffered no ill-effects from malnutrition since we began re-feeding the first time. She has led a very normal life.
My hubby and I treat the AN now more like well-managed diabetes than anything. We are alert for signs of low blood sugar - as it were. We're happy to listen and support - and also prepared to hold a strict line if the illness ever took hold again.
Hope that answers your question?
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| kris |
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That is helpful information as I have a difficult time dealing with one day at a time and not stressing about what the future holds. I wan't it all to be done now, but I guess that's because it's so hard to accept this as our new life.
We're on day 10 now of re-feeding and we are having more compliance by our 10 year old d, but in turn we've had many days of sullen behavior and more withdrawn again. I think she is very depressed at having her life so controlled by us and unfortunately we have lost our temper on occasion to try to get her to finish a drink or those last few bites. I'm scared we may have done permanent damage in these battles.
We did meet with a nutritionist who thankfully is well-versed in Maudsley. She agreed with us that therapy of any kind should wait until weight has been restored. We can't find an actual Maudsley type therapist as of yet - not like the type in the manual anyway. But, it's so hard to see my daughter mope around, barely talking to us. She did show quite a bit of rage yesterday AM when we made her finish her drink before school and maybe that is a good sign? But, it's that quiet that I can't take. And her teacher emailed me that some of the kids at school thought she seemed sad.
Do I just need to wait - keep going the course and treat the depression later? It seems like that is what this approach is advocating. I feel so bad for her suffering and I hope that someday she'll know we were doing this to save her life. |
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| | April 26, 2006 at 05:42 PM | Reply with quote | #43 |
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Re therapy, we've done therapy and an antidepressant all along during the refeeding. I think the medicine definitely helped. Our d was depressed and withdrawn and angry for many months. She's now much more like her old self. I would definitely not assume that refeeding is a mistake because of her reaction. I liken eating for an anorexic to drug withdrawal for an addict. We had a very hard time for months.
Re anger, it may be that either you or your husband has better "temper control." If so, make that person the lead "refeeder". I was able, usually, to repress my frustration and be in a zen-like state. My husband was very impatient, so I became the feeder. When he did it, my d would get upset. If you can stay calm, you can go out later and release your frustration, perhaps on an inanimate object. It helped me a lot to recognize how much of my d's behavior was due to fear and anxiety.
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| Hope2 |
| | April 27, 2006 at 12:05 AM | Reply with quote | #44 |
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Thank you Laura for your reply, Please understand that my questions to you are like having a glimpse into our future. I've heard of these AN thoughts as being a part of the sufferers future, you mentioned your d has them as well. Are these every day, every hour or fleeting? Is she tempted to restrict, or is it more about body image and other issues? Lastly, when you are that sound board for her on occasion are you simply there to just listen or are you giving her reassuring guidance as to her needing full nutrition and rationalizing with her where restriction could lead her? I'm only trying to understand this disease, I want to have as much wisdom not only for today but for tomorrow. Thank you for being so kind and sharing your story. |
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| cq |
| | April 27, 2006 at 02:02 AM | Reply with quote | #45 |
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Kris
I am a strong believer that therapy, whilst a comforting sounding board when weight is low, is not able to resolve anything until a healthy weight has been reached. In my opionion this is biological - cognition is impaired at low weight and therapy and anorexia are emotionally intertwined. That is not to say that therapy at low weight has no purpose. It can be comforting and reassuring but the real work is not done whilst the body is still impaired.
(I refer to individual T here).
Hope2, I agree with Laura's idea that AN thoughts post-recovery are like a managed illness. One thing I would encourage is communication. Emphasise to your child that if she feels she is slipping it is FAR better that she tells you, and that you won't be angry (inwardly, you might roll your eyes and thing "here we go again" but I doubt you would be angry with her - with the AN perhaps...). She might NOT even have dropped weight but might have notice the "thoughts" or behavious creeping back. If she is able to talk to you you can help her restore weight (a few pounds is easier than a few tens of pounds) IF she needs to, and also you can help her figure out what is REALLY going on (guy trouble?exam stress? prom coming up?) before you both lose sight of this.
cq x
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| Laura Collins |
| | April 27, 2006 at 07:29 AM | Reply with quote | #46 |
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In our daughter's case the AN thoughts have waxed and waned. Worst when she is highly stressed, or her activity increases faster than her intake, or she is ill.
Learning to listen to her body, self-regulate, and get emotional and practical support have been an extra part of growing up for her. (remember, she was 14 when she became ill, she's only just turned 18) She is doing a fantastic job and we are hugely proud of her!
You asked about our role as time goes on - it waxes and wanes as well. Kind of like walking behind a toddler learning to walk: you start out close, back off slowly as they grow confident, and even when they wave you off with bravado you still keep an eye and step in when and as needed. Only a parent can do that intricate dance! |
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| Hope2 |
| | April 27, 2006 at 09:25 AM | Reply with quote | #47 |
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Thank you again Laura and CQ, This board is amazing to me. The support and the experience pasted on by others has truly been a blessing to me. |
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| Harold |
| | May 06, 2006 at 03:54 AM | Reply with quote | #48 |
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Unfortunately, I have a not-very-optimistic 1 year anniversary update to share. Our then 11-year-old d started having odd behaviors (anxiety) early in 2005. By her 12th birthday in late April her weight had gone down several pounds from the preceding fall, and moderate eating restrictions were apparent. We started seeing ED specialists, to no avail--in June AN emerged full-blown. At the end of that month I found this list and began Maudsley refeeding.
By the start of school in Sept. d was stable enough and was just over her weight of a year earlier. She was up to target weight by early October. We had been using a low dose of Prozac (20mg/day) since July, and eased off that (every second day) from Nov. to January. D still had mood/anxiety swings, but not too bad. Compulsive exercising had been a big problem for us from the beginning, and it seemed to be under control as a set routine with some willingness to "bank".
I was waiting for the "by 6 months after reaching ibw the an thoughts/behaviors subside." Well, in our case they have been getting worse since about that time. We monitor eating like hawks, but clandestine exercising before dawn, after bedtime, and during other unmonitored moments was on the increase. We tried to get d to talk about it, and our attempts to monitor and curb just pushed the "jumps" and situps or whatever to worse times (middle of the night), to the point of exhaustion. Even giving permission to exercise openly during the day did not help. Her 13th birthday was a nightmare extended over almost a week with a series of meltdowns.
I finally got a breakthrough exchange of notes, in which d. admitted to exercising "1 to 1 1/2 hours a day" (I never would have imagined that much, still can't figure out how--that is in addition to PE at school and ballet 3x/week). We are now again in negotiations about her reducing exercise if we reduce food.
Summary: one year later we are at ibw plus a few pounds, but the same (at least strikingly similar) thoughts and behaviors as at the onset of an, in spite of the 20 additional pounds (and 3/4" in height). So we will muddy onward, hoping that the an mindset will ease with time. Now that she has admitted to it, which I take to be a cry for help, I'm thinking that an authoritarian parental prohibition of all exercise (or the threat thereof) is the next step. We'll see.
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| Maeve |
| | May 08, 2006 at 03:51 PM | Reply with quote | #49 |
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I remember that success stories on this board kept me going when we started this ordeal 9 months ago; so here's our "mostly" successful update. After a good start at a partial-inpatient program, my 16 yr. old's daughter's ED fought back with a vengeance. She went through periods of out-of- control anger, cutting and severe depression. I stayed the Maudsley course and she is now at 5'3', 103 lbs. I will say that it's still a battle to keep her & hopefull increase above this minimally healthy weight & I still need to average 3000 calories a day (sometimes not easy with a teenager who is now regaining her social life). On the positive side: she is back at school and much less pre-occupied with weight. She is HAPPY most of the time, eats her large, calorie-dense dinners in a normal amount of time without blinking an eye. She REQUESTS foods that she would formerly stare at as if I had asked her to eat a plate of worms (pizza, fried rice, cookies). I do attribute part of our success to finding a combination of medications that have let her "step away" from the ED. . .although a small part of her is still clinging to it with both hands. But every day is a little better & I NEVER thought I'd be able to say that just 2 months ago. |
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| valerie |
| | May 08, 2006 at 05:42 PM | Reply with quote | #50 |
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As some of you may remember, d agreed to treatment in a hospital. Almost 2 months later, she has gained about 10 pounds, still has some of the phobias ie. meat and butter, but on the weekend at home, we had bacon and eggs for a treat. she said that she would only have an egg, but then on her own had a sliice of bacon!! WOW is what we said!
Valerie
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