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Playball40

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Apparently Netflix is getting ready to release another show, this time dealing with anorexia which stars Lily Collins and Keanu Reeves.  Apparently it is garnering a lot of controversy already.  Has anyone watched the trailer yet? 
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Hi playball40,
I have just seen it, I did´nt hear of it before. Thanks for warning us. I don´t know by now what to think about it. On one hand I think its good that AN is in the media because more people will get to know it. But this is no information chanal, its a Hollywood production. It might glorify the illness and lead to something like the proana pages in the http://www.... I will try to make my d NOT TO SEE it.
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Tina - that is exactly what the controversy is about.  The glorification, the relatively easy fix and fear it portrays at least some of the old school thinking (although I read not completely).  I'm going to try and prevent my daughter from watching.
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I think this filming crowd signed up to the "Nine truths about eating disorders" and were used for some publicity around the first World eating disorder awareness day. It was discussed in some of the facebook groups around word ed day at the time. I think the general idea was that it would be a good film for the public. Having said that, anything can be mis-used by our children while in the throws of the illness.
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Hi...I'm not sure about this movie either but I guess my jury is out until I see it. I'm on the Project Heal mailing list and they consulted with the director. They are an organization started by two women who met each other in treatment when they were 15 and have since recovered. They fundraise to provide treatment scholarships for sufferers. I've heard them speak on the radio and they are very dedicated, smart women. They sent an html email about the movie. The writer and director suffered from anorexia and bulimia herself, and that the actress who portrays the main character, Lilly Collins (daughter of Phil Collins) has also suffered from anorexia. So there have been sufferers/survivors involved in the creation of this movie and it might be interesting to see it from that perspective. I don't think that it would be appropriate for my d. to watch because there are triggering scenes. (calorie counting, being weighed etc)

I am going to watch it, however, several things do worry me. Lily Collins had to lose a lot of weight for the movie even though I read that she did it under the care of a medical team. In addition, I really hope that they do not portray her family as being somehow dysfunctional since that could fuel that old fashioned discredited public myth that families are somehow responsible, although I don't know yet how they portray her family.

Strangely enough, I met some of the people who worked on the book 13 Reasons Why last month which has been adapted for the Netflix film. Just out of curiosity to see what they would say, I mentioned that there had been some controversy about the Netflix series. They clearly feel that they did a service by raising awareness about a difficult topic and bringing it into the public eye. 

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This is a link to an excellent article written by FEAST's founding executive director Laura Collins Lyster-Mensh about the To The Bone movie.
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Ooh, thank you for the link!


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There is a petition if you want netflix not to show it or show it with some warning at the beginning.
https://www.change.org/p/netflix-withdraw-film-to-the-bone-from-the-public-domain-prevent-doing-damage-and-stigmatising
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I am reading around a bit about this movie.  I am horrified to read the description on Netflix's website: "Ellen, a 20-year-old with anorexia, goes on a harrowing, sometimes funny, journey of self-discovery at a group home run by an unusual doctor."   Sometimes funny???????  
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I just read an online Allure magazine article titled "Lily Collins Was Actually Complimented About Her Weight Loss for the 'To The Bone'" that ends with . . . "To hear multiple (and conflicting) messages about our own bodies can be incredibly difficult, and Collins is right -- it's the reason why this problem exists."  

"It's the reason"???????   That's it???  Just one reason???? Not one medical authority cited or referenced????  I am horrified.
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Salon's online review of the movie describes a scene where the main character is out to dinner with a boy who is also anorexic.  She giggles enthusiastically at his jokes even as she spits food into a napkin demonstrating that "they're capable of joy even as they hover on the brink of death."  

Really???  My D was not "capable of joy" when she was in the throes of AN, nor did she giggle or laugh let alone laugh "enthusiastically".
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Net-a-Porter's online article "Patterns of Behavior" features a conversation between the director and the actress.  The director says people worried about the actress losing weight for the movie.  The director says they made sure the actress had a lot of support and that she knew the actress was so ambitious that she wouldn't let this get in her way.  No worries!

Horrified!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kudos to Self magazine for their article "Netflix's 'To The Bone' Could Be Harmful to Those With Anorexia" as the article quotes ED experts who give good information about EDs.  

In the same article the actress states that because she was being followed by a nutritionist and surrounded by amazing women during filming she knew she would be ok.  (what????)

Also of note . . . in one of the articles the actress states that when she went through ED as a teenager she did not seek medical support.  

Enough outrage for one night.  I am off to bed. [wink]
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Hi EDAction,
thanks for collection all these inforations for us!
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It is not on Netflix UK ....yet
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To me this movie is just one big nightmare.My daughter has been quiet keen to watch it but there is NO WAY she will be.Firstly the actress Lilly Collins has written openly in her book about her own struggles with an eating disorder which I applaud but i think it was incredibly careless of her manager/minder to let a recovering anorexic do a movie on anorexia and lose weight for the part.It glamorises eating disorders and over simplifies just how hard they are to kick.She has also stated that even though she had an ed as a younger teenager she did not receive treatment.Did it clear up on its own then??? Very worrying😣
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I am terrified of the impact this film could have and the messages it will give.
The weight loss of lily Collins for the part too just seems medically dangerous and wrong and not a message our kids should be getting.
I have signed the petition here in case anyone else wants to also:
https://www.change.org/p/netflix-withdraw-film-to-the-bone-from-the-public-domain-prevent-doing-damage-and-stigmatising
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This is an excellent article written by well-respected Dr. Laura Muhlheim about To The Bone.
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I think I have mixed feelings about this film.  While I can appreciate both the director and Lily Collins having endured their own personal battles with anorexia; I am torn at it's triggering effect for some and also the idea of encouraged weight loss on behalf of the actress. 

We are HUGE supporters of Project HEAL (and also a treatment grant recipient from Project HEAL) so part of me wants to believe that an organization that is deeply rooted in helping those affected with an eating disorder wouldn't promote this film if they felt it was going to be a detriment.  This movie has the ability to promote and educate perhaps more that are not familiar with eating disorders than those that are impacted with an eating disorder.  Will it be something I let my daughter see - probably not and truthfully it may be too difficult for me to watch also.  Those dark days in the eating disorder are still too fresh and not far enough in the past.  I guess all we can do as care givers and supporters is wait and see how this creates further conversations and/or awareness once the movie is released.
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This is an article by Radio New Zealand regarding the release of To The Bone, that quotes FEAST board member Nicky Wilson.  There are links at the end of the article for various organizations in NZ to support those with mental health issues or EDs.
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Interview yesterday (13 July) by on BBC Radio 4's 'Woman's Hour' with Lily Collins. Interview starts at 20 secs.  

In fact, 'Woman's Hour' has had several features on EDs over the last week or so - scroll down the lists of episodes to find them - including a whole show from an ED unit, with interviews from patients and staff.

I have no idea whether non-UK based people will be able to listen to these, though!
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My daughter is away at the moment, so I took the opportunity to watch the movie yesterday. 
Dr Mulheim was an adviser for the movie, and I think her comments are very accurate. The movie in no way glamorises eating disorders. The lead actress does look very thin, but I note she has stated that some of the shots have been exacerbated with CGI. It is still concerning that she was in any way encouraged to risk her health for the movie. 
On the other side there are repeated references to her risk of death from the illness, the ongoing need for treatment though as Dr Mulheim mentions these are not well covered. The misery of living with an eating disorder in all its forms and the loss of quality of life is also clearly depicted. 

I will discourage my daughter from seeing it, because I think she will find it traumatising given all she has been through in the last seven years. I don't think it would make her go backwards but I do think it would remind her of the traumas she has been through as part of her treatment. 

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Carolyn Costin has posted a piece about the movie on her personal Facebook page that I thought was good review. It came from Carolyn's perspective of someone who has had a lived experience with Anorexia Nervosa and is now a treatment clinician
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Here is a link to an article in the NY Times this morning.

There will be a Q & A on Tues. July 18th at 7pm EST to discuss the movie.

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 I had not realised this film was out yet? My D  who is 3 years into recovery, has watched this today and felt that it is a good portrayal of living with Anorexia Nervosa but she has said to me that she feels that it is not a true re-flexion of families coping with ED and their attitudes towards the illness. Most of the film apparently focuses on inpatient treatment, although I have not seen it yet. She feels there were some outdated thoughts. I am "ok" with her watching it, and have no control over this, and she is now well enough recovered to be able to see what is good and bad about ED treatment and peoples attitude towards the illness. I guess it would be triggering for some and should have a warning.

I will watch it myself and make up my own mind I think.

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